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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How do you then enforce your standard given that the rights of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon ?

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    Cannot do that. But that is not the issue since I do not want to get rid of every gun in the world as you state you do.

    wonder why "from apsdt" shows up.

    we have laws. that is the best we can do, its like voting.



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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It's crazy that he was able to walk around the island for 90 minutes shooting people.
    Lets see, the first report to the police came in at 5:25 Oslo time. At 5:35ish they requested help from Oslo. The Special Police arrived at 6:22ish and he was arrested 3 minutes later.

    Oh and a police man was one of the first (if not the first) to be killed on the island.
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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I thought much the same thing. It would have been great in this instance if somebody had a gun and took out this jerk really early on. I don't think any rational person would prefer scores of innocent people dead rather than this one right wing extremist.

    But lets then think through the implications of that for a moment. Yesterday in Texas somebody killed five innocent people at a roller skating rink because of a family dispute. Its getting very little media play as its just another mass gun killing and we all know where those stories end up anyways.

    Do we want to live in society where the alternative to this sort of thing is everybody walks around armed to the teeth?

    I am sure some here will answer loudly and proudly HELL YES. Is there not some other alternative? But think about it......... and then respond.


    Here's the thing. Yeah a lot of people are going to Hell Yes this one. The cold hard facts are much different though. A great many people would never use a gun, even if they pulled it. Those have just armed their attacker.

    Now, suppose you are a cop pulling up on a scene where two guys are blasting away at each other. What could possibly go wrong here?

    What if you are in the process of defending yourself when some wild eyed idiot drives up who has been looking for a chance to shoot somebody?

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wonder why "from apsdt" shows up.

    we have laws. that is the best we can do, its like voting.
    Not the laws on the books - but your new standard of only allowing a special people that you previously described to be armed to the teeth?

    my question to the board

    So you would accept a society where everyone walks around armed to the teeth?

    your reply
    Nope, just the responsible people who know how to properly use weapons.
    How do you apply a standard for that and keep from violating the Second Amendment?
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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    This is so sad. These young people didnt stand a chance. He was hunting them down for 90 minutes. My thoughts and prayers are going out to the survivors and the victims family/friends.
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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Here's the thing. Yeah a lot of people are going to Hell Yes this one. The cold hard facts are much different though. A great many people would never use a gun, even if they pulled it. Those have just armed their attacker.

    Now, suppose you are a cop pulling up on a scene where two guys are blasting away at each other. What could possibly go wrong here?

    What if you are in the process of defending yourself when some wild eyed idiot drives up who has been looking for a chance to shoot somebody?
    Those are very good points that show the disadvantages of an well armed society where people are carrying.
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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Lets see, the first report to the police came in at 5:25 Oslo time. At 5:35ish they requested help from Oslo. The Special Police arrived at 6:22ish and he was arrested 3 minutes later.

    Oh and a police man was one of the first (if not the first) to be killed on the island.
    Norway Police Arrived At Island Massacre 90 Minutes After Firing Began

    Norway Police Arrived At Island Massacre 90 Minutes After Firing Began

    Norway police admit to taking 90 minutes to reach island after shooting began

    Norway police admit to taking 90 minutes to reach island after shooting began - The Globe and Mail

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Here's the thing. Yeah a lot of people are going to Hell Yes this one. The cold hard facts are much different though. A great many people would never use a gun, even if they pulled it. Those have just armed their attacker.

    Now, suppose you are a cop pulling up on a scene where two guys are blasting away at each other. What could possibly go wrong here?

    What if you are in the process of defending yourself when some wild eyed idiot drives up who has been looking for a chance to shoot somebody?
    Have any examples where this has happened?

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Have any examples where this has happened?
    What part of 'suppose' and 'what if' did you not understand? I would be happy to explain it for you.

    Before you go off on an attack about me hating guns, I have owned guns since I was tall enough to keep both ends out of the dirt at the same time. In over 50 years of gun ownership I have pulled a gun exactly twice. On only one of those occasions did I have to point it at anybody.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not the laws on the books - but your new standard of only allowing a special people that you previously described to be armed to the teeth?

    my question to the board




    your reply


    How do you apply a standard for that and keep from violating the Second Amendment?
    we already have laws that ban those who have criminal records or other disqualifying features from owning any sort of firearms

    if you cannot own a firearm, you cannot lawfully carry one nor pass the additional screening almost every state imposes on those who wish to carry weapons

    it is almost impossible to carry enough weapons concealed to be "armed to the teeth" one concealed handgun hardly invokes that sort of image

    so to me, if you can legally own weapons (ie you are an adult with no felony record, mental incompetence as determined by a court etc) and you have fulfilled the requirements to carry a weapon that is the proper process



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