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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm just curious as to how you came to your conclusion? The first link doesn't state anything about his beliefs that I saw. The last one had this.

    There are signs the local farmer, 32, may have had right-wing, Christian fundamentalist views

    Is this not what the media did with the Giffords episode but then had to wipe the egg from their faces? The article states *may*, you state *fact*.
    Look here as well (Massacre suspect is Norwegian : Views and News from Norway).
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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And the far left was able to impose its ideas without public participation and their response to the consequences is to blame it on "the far right of European politics based on xenophobia and anti-immigration feelings". This is the usual response from leftists when their hair-brained schemes run awry. Their history is peppered with equal mixes of farce and vanity, and they're always are shocked at the inevitably disastrous results from their theories..

    They apparently could not foresee the idea that people would protest at losing their culture and liberties. Instead the left came up with another of their Grand Plans that would eventually fall into place with everyone happy and content with the new European order. And in fact, they even promised that it would be a counterweight to the Americans. That's a combination of xenophobia, arrogance, propaganda and political nativity in itself.

    What happened in Norway was insane and we should never allow excuses for these ugly and inhumane actions. But perhaps lessons can be learned from this tragedy regarding those who feel they are intellectually superior to 'the masses', and go on to decide and dictate what's best for them. There will always be the law of equal and opposite reaction, as well as that of unintended consequence.
    You sound like a leftist trying to justify an Islamic terrorist act. They'd also place a little caveat at the end saying they disagree with the act itself, but it never would have happened if it weren't for the governments policies.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Just one clarification... when I say right winger then it is a rather large segment. I based the comment on the fact that it was left wing youth and a left wing government buildings that were attacked. I had no idea at the time how far he might be on the right wing, but from what we know now, it is pretty far out there.

    So this guy is on the far far right wing and is a small minority. The old fashioned right wing (democrats or moderate Republicans in US speak) are by far the largest portion of the right wing in Europe. Now there are overlapping political views of the far far right and the traditional right but that is mostly on the economic front and certain social aspects. Where they differ is often on cultural and immigration issues and in some cases religious. This guy is closer to the Neo Nazies than the traditional right wing, but never the less his political views almost solely belong on the right wing of the political spectrum. Oh and he is also a big time nationalist...
    It seems more important to discover the labels we can use on each rather than seeking out the causes that are creating such disharmony among the people.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    You sound like a leftist trying to justify an Islamic terrorist act. They'd also place a little caveat at the end saying they disagree with the act itself, but it never would have happened if it weren't for the governments policies.
    We have religious people putting forth their reasons for their terrorist acts and this guy is going to be questioned about his. Judging from his blogs his ideas aren't that far from the mainstream. Many are against losing their culture, resent the lax immigration laws, the corruption in the UN and so on. We can recognize that without killing innocent people.

    I've been instructed by the moderator not to use the M words so cannot make the obvious comparisons between alienated and overwhelmed cultures.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    You sound like a leftist trying to justify an Islamic terrorist act. They'd also place a little caveat at the end saying they disagree with the act itself, but it never would have happened if it weren't for the governments policies.
    Actually. on rethinking your post, I believe you're right.

    It's too early to start moralizing about this ugly tragedy. It's just to emotional.

    Thanks for the heads up.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    All this nonsense really saddens me. From Muslim to right wingers, from apologists to finger pointers, only few come to the conclusion that this was a very disturbed person, and nothing but.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    O.K.

    Speculation was rising that he’s linked to right-wing extremists, not Islamic terrorists.

    Again I'll ask, how do you get "facts" out of speculation? Is this not the very thing that was done in the Giffords shooting? Speculation that lead to accusations that lead to making many people look pretty foolish?

    Here is my speculation. We are going to find a mentally unstable individual who espoused many wacky beliefs.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    O.K.

    Speculation was rising that he’s linked to right-wing extremists, not Islamic terrorists.

    Again I'll ask, how do you get "facts" out of speculation? Is this not the very thing that was done in the Giffords shooting? Speculation that lead to accusations that lead to making many people look pretty foolish?

    Here is my speculation. We are going to find a mentally unstable individual who espoused many wacky beliefs.
    Aha, yes indeed.

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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ummm why is that?
    Step one:
    1.Buy a knock of uniform.
    2.Gun
    3.We know the rest sadly...
    reports have him using a fully automatic military weapon. not something you can buy legally in any place in Europe



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    Re: Explosions In Norway

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I know this is off topic but, why does a political party have a youth camp?
    Seems wrong.
    The Nazis called it the, "Hitler Youth". Not sure what the Nors call it. The only way for Leftist ideology to prosper is through education.

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