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Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

If people don't take advantage of it, then there will be relatively little impact good or ill from the proposal should it ever take effect.

If additional people don't take advantage of it, it will just displace the cost to all payers of the insurance plan, even those who don't need or use BC.
 
But your math is an assumption based on perfectly rational humans, which we aren't.
Of those 400, how many will actually complete their regular birth control regimen?

How many will make mistakes like taking antibiotics, which nulls the effects of some BC, then getting pregnant.
The world doesn't fall into a perfectly mathematical formula like you laid out.

I think the 1.68 million cushion is pretty safe. You would have to have the LARGE MAJORITY of the second 400 not completing the birth control regimen or taking antibiotics.
 
If additional people don't take advantage of it, it will just displace the cost to all payers of the insurance plan, even those who don't need or use BC.

If people don't take advantage of it, no one buys it so the company isn't out any money!
 
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I think the 1.68 million cushion is pretty safe. You would have to have the LARGE MAJORITY of the second 400 not completing the birth control regimen or taking antibiotics.

You said that if 1 pregnancy were prevented, it would save money.
What if by happen stance, 1 pregnancy were induced?
Because of neglectful or careless understanding of how BC works?

It would then cost more money, that doesn't also include the now subsidized cost, the people were paying before hand.
 
You said that if 1 pregnancy were prevented, it would save money.
What if by happen stance, 1 pregnancy were induced?
Because of neglectful or careless understanding of how BC works?

It would then cost more money, that doesn't also include the now subsidized cost, the people were paying before hand.

I provided you with nationally recognized statistics. You are grasping at straws. I proved to you that it will be more cost efficient. 85% of people get pregnant without birth control. 5% get pregnant with birth control. It is more cost efficient. You aren't going to prove me wrong with this.
 
If additional people don't take advantage of it, it will just displace the cost to all payers of the insurance plan, even those who don't need or use BC.
If people don't taker advantage of the program how much money will be spent on not providing contraceptives?
 
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I provided you with nationally recognized statistics. You are grasping at straws. I proved to you that it will be more cost efficient. 85% of people get pregnant without birth control. 5% get pregnant with birth control. It is more cost efficient. You aren't going to prove me wrong with this.

I'm not at all.
See unplanned pregnancies ≠ unwanted pregnancies.

You're assuming that all people who have unplanned pregnancies will use this and that all people who have unplanned pregnancies, do not want the child.

You're making a lot of leaps with your assertions.

The fact is that birth control is already widely affordable, why aren't these women using birth control now?
Why incentive would be created to visit a doctor, to get BC when they didn't really care for it, beforehand?

Cost is marginal as it is.
 
If people don't taker advantage of the program how much money will be spent on not providing contraceptives?

Again with this assumption that it is too expensive.
The cost of birth control is already easily affordable.

It's just that are a lot of immature/irresponsible guys and girls that don't use it.

If you're referring to potential pregnancy costs, that answer is unknown, just like the potential savings because there is no clear data that people will actually use it responsibly.
 
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After re-reading the article from the OP and reviewing the PPAC, I find the commentary from the article to be very misleading.

From the article:

"The request for the study actually came out of the health care legislation and I am pleased that the secretary has indicated that the department will implement it quickly," said Rep. Lois Capps, D-Calif.

The "study" Rep. Capps refers to is section 2953 from PPAC, "Personal Responsibility Education". It provides details of a 3-year grant program offered to the states who would then distribute funds to "local organization or entities to carry out personal responsibility education programs...designed to educate adolescents on both abstinence and contraception for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV/AIDS.

The program replicates evidence-based effective programs or substantially incorporates elements of effective programs that have been proven on the basis of rigorous scientific research to change behavior, which means delaying sexual activity, increasing condom or contraceptive use for sexually active youth, or reducing pregnancy among youth."

A word search of the PPAC using specific words commonly linked to birth control terminalogy yielded the following results:

birth control - 0 results

(birth control) pill - 0 results

condom - 1 result

contraceptive - 1 result

contraception - 4 results

More from the article:

“If accepted these recommendations would mean that virtually all private employers, private companies, organizations, such as the USCCB, would be required by law to cover in their insurance to employees, these problematic procedures, drugs and devices,” said USCCB spokeswoman Deirdre McQuade.

Search result using the word "insurance" (in section 2953 only) - 0 results

Furthermore, from the article:

“More than half of pregnancies in the U.S. are unintended. Forty percent of those end in abortion,” said Dr. Cathleen London, a physician and professor at Weill-Cornell Medical College. “So if we want to talk about reducing teenage pregnancy, reducing abortion, contraception and making it easily available without the ridiculously high co-pays that insurance companies are charging, (it [...distributing contraceptives via insurance companies]) is the way to go.”

Considering that there's been so much opposition by the GOP to defund such national organizations like Planned Parenthood, it would makes sense to use insurance companies to administer free birth control to our youth to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Of course, we as parents can be the best source for prevention. But you know kids...head strong...until they recognize their mistake(s). Believe me...I know this first hand as a parent of five children. Thank God only one had a child out of wedlock. But I'm happy to announce she married a few years later to a very decent man and is very happy with their expanded family, four wonderful grandbabies in all. None of my other young-adult children have kids; all are responsible where sex and contraceptive use are concerned. I'm proud to say I've taught them well in that regard.

Sidenote: It must be re-emphasized, the recommendation to distribute free contraceptives through health insurance is NOT in the PPAC nor did it originate with the federal government (Obama Administration). It came from the Institute of Medicine, and there's no guarantee that insurance companies will adopt such a measure. Please, try to keep that in mind throughout the course of this debate topic.
 
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After re-reading the article from the OP and reviewing the PPAC, I find the commentary from the article to be very misleading.

It's misleading in ways more than that.

Birth control won't be "free." Rather, health insurance companies will be required to provide it to all women who purchase health insurance. So it will be a first tier service of health insurance providers. Women will pay for it as a part of their health insurance premium rather than having to provide a co-pay.

Not sure if that has been corrected or not.
 
It's misleading in ways more than that.

Birth control won't be "free." Rather, health insurance companies will be required to provide it to all women who purchase health insurance. So it will be a first tier service of health insurance providers. Women will pay for it as a part of their health insurance premium rather than having to provide a co-pay.

Not sure if that has been corrected or not.

To correct it further, all people who purchase insurance will be required to pay for it, because price discrimination is now illegal, even if someone is statistically more likely to use their insurance more.
 
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Okay, you missed the point, it's too deep I guess. Here, I'll make it simple.

"Just mandate it as free..."

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE.

What do you think will happen to the cost of Insurance? Go up, or down?

Mandated to be paid for, for free...

(insert jeopardy theme music)


Answer?



So, the over all point is, the people making these decisions have no ****ing clue what the repercussions for their actions are.

How is this going to affect your insurance premium? And you didn't even make it clear how it would be free, so I am confused...
 
The government are a bunch of overpaid bureaucratic assholes who use government funds to take vacations and fund private jets, not to mention throwing money around like confetti at completely idiotic things, and you are outraged by THIS? Seriously?

Slow down with that common sense crap, you're supposed to be outraged about less abortions and welfare moms...
 
Unwanted pregnancies and divorce drive poverty rates. This is pretty meh. But, its not free, thats a given.

Not doing something about it is costly to society as well.
 
It's misleading in ways more than that.

Birth control won't be "free." Rather, health insurance companies will be required to provide it to all women who purchase health insurance. So it will be a first tier service of health insurance providers. Women will pay for it as a part of their health insurance premium rather than having to provide a co-pay.

Not sure if that has been corrected or not.

Like I said...

Sidenote: It must be re-emphasized, the recommendation to distribute free contraceptives through health insurance is NOT in the PPAC nor did it originate with the federal government (Obama Administration). It came from the Institute of Medicine, and there's no guarantee that insurance companies will adopt such a measure. Please, try to keep that in mind throughout the course of this debate topic.
 
Free? It shouldn't be free. It should be treated like any other medication. If you can afford it, pay for it yourself. Insurance companies should charge a co-pay like they do any other medication. Medicaid should distribute it like they do any other medication. This idea is like the massive drug bill that passed when George Bush was in office. People need to pay based on their ability to pay. No more massive government handouts.

Then what do you suggest doing when they can't afford to feed all the babies and properly care for these children? Just let them starve to death?
 
Oh I definitely agree with that. Im just sayin... even if you dont have insurance at all, birth control is available and you can get it for pretty much free or very cheap. Planned parenthood still does it on a sliding scale according to what a persons income is.

PP is not a pharmacy. All they do is write scripts, but you can get condoms for free there... other than that, no bc is free at PP. I was in college, no income, and I still had to pay for it.
 
I touched on this earlier but I'm going to go over this again.

We are talking about people with insurance. I do not know of any insurance policy that doesn't cover B.C. Anyone have any info where there are any? How many?
If you have insurance, you have a job. Are there people who really can not afford the $10-$20 co-pay that some do charge?

I have no problem with the idea that in theory this might help but that's theory. In reality is this a solution looking for a problem?
 
I touched on this earlier but I'm going to go over this again.

We are talking about people with insurance. I do not know of any insurance policy that doesn't cover B.C. Anyone have any info where there are any? How many?
If you have insurance, you have a job. Are there people who really can not afford the $10-$20 co-pay that some do charge?

I have no problem with the idea that in theory this might help but that's theory. In reality is this a solution looking for a problem?

Popular support should almost never be a reason to implement policy.
So many correlation/causation fallacies and giant leaps of logic.
 
I do not consider birth control as health care. If you are having sex while using contraception you are in it for the enjoyment only. So "forcing health insurance to cover safe entertainment" would be a more accurate wording. Whats next? Will we force agencies to pay for bicycle helmets and the like?

If pregnancies spontaneously occurred you could have an argument but since it is a direct result of a persons actions, I do not feel it is anyone elses responsibility to insure you have no unwanted children. I have never caused a pregnancy. Why? because I use proper protection or do not have sex. It is really very elementary.

BC can also be used to treat many other health issues women have, and many such health conditions are extremely common like endometriosis. You're not my doctor, and my doctor and me will make such decisions. You can stay out of my uterus and health care options, thanks.
 
There's really no leaps in logic. I have insurance, and yet the deductibles and co pays are rather steep. If free birth control (assuming it's convenient and effective) were offered "free" to any woman who needed them, it follows that unwanted births would decrease. The question: is the cost of free birth control less than the total costs of unwanted births. I think the answer is obvious to most people.
 
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