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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It may be a great mandate but the point is, it's NOT free.
    They will never get it.

    The left is utterly and irretrievably hopeless when to comes to governments or taxation. They sincerely believe that if the government is behind it, it must free.

    This could be the result of a 'free' education.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    You have conveniently skirted the entire point of his argument (and my post in response to you earlier in this thread). Is there a reason for that? Perhaps because you can't respond? Perhaps because, if government mandate causes lower net insurance payouts and therefore has the possibility of lowering premiums while at the same time sharply decreasing the number of unwanted pregnancies (a source of numerous social problems), that a government mandate is in this instance actually doing something good, which you can't accept?
    So the theory here is that women are becoming pregnant because nether she nor the man involved can afford a condom?

    It is therefore expected that if condoms are 'free' they will used in a responsible manner and there will then be fewer unwanted pregnancies.

    This theory would have to assume that those who can't afford condoms are also sober and responsible people. How likely is that?

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBrat View Post
    That I totally agree with. Medicine is medicine and if you do have insurance, all insurance should cover medication with a copay.
    Birth control pills aren't "medicine" in one sense (it can be if it's helping to regulate a woman's period) - it's preventative in nature.

    The argument is this, as I see it: right now it covered in the same way that therapeutic medicine is covered (if it's covered at all, the company I used to work for didn't cover it UNLESS it was therapeutic) and not covered as other preventative health measure are. Many plans pay 100% of preventative costs.

    Again, all states have regulatory boards and pass laws that require insurance companies to cover one thing or another. This is nothing new and it happens all the time.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Birth control pills aren't "medicine" in one sense (it can be if it's helping to regulate a woman's period) - it's preventative in nature.

    The argument is this, as I see it: right now it covered in the same way that therapeutic medicine is covered (if it's covered at all, the company I used to work for didn't cover it UNLESS it was therapeutic) and not covered as other preventative health measure are. Many plans pay 100% of preventative costs.

    Again, all states have regulatory boards and pass laws that require insurance companies to cover one thing or another. This is nothing new and it happens all the time.
    It's said that an aspirin a day will help to prevent heart attacks.

    If the government decides to give out 'free' aspirins to people, I'd suggest buying stock in Bayer.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    This is nothing new and it happens all the time.
    Perhaps that's one of the reasons why the governments are hopelessly in debt.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How much do unwanted pregnancies add to the cost of insurance/tax burden for everyone?
    If someone wasn't motivated enough to get cheap/free birth control before, how reliable do you think they will be to actually use it?

    Not to mention that it's pretty gender discriminatory, why not free birth control for men too?
    I mean they made it illegal for insurance companies to practice gender price discrimination.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I pay my perscription co-pay for birth control. Yaz has a generic (though there's a lawsuit..the generic wasn't supposed to release until late 2012..but whatever) so I pay $15 instead of paying $25 for a name brand. I've been covered by BCBS, United Healthcare, Aetna, and one other I can't remember now and all of them treated birth control as a normal perscription. Some of them even allowed the yearly woman's exam to be performed w/no copay for the doctor's visit.

    For other forms of birth control (Mirena, Nuvaring, the patch, etc) there are no generics. Mirena requires that you undergo an extensive procedure, so it's a bit more expensive because of that. Nuvaring was $25/month for me, no idea on the patch because I never tried it.

    Can't answer #2 without lots of googling.
    Don't forget Depo Provara, 1 shot every 3 months, ranging from $30-$75.
    Depending on how the side effects, effect you, it is another viable and already affordable solution.

    This is being done as a cheap political ploy towards women voters.
    They think you're stupid.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I don't know are there maternity cost going to go down?
    The cost of paying for prenatal care, delivery, and welfare is obviously much higher than paying for birth control. I would support offering people a couple of grand to get a tubal. That would save even more over time. It would be nice if policies focused on long term savings instead of short term gains.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Don't forget Depo Provara, 1 shot every 3 months, ranging from $30-$75.
    Depending on how the side effects, effect you, it is another viable and already affordable solution.

    This is being done as a cheap political ploy towards women voters.
    They think you're stupid.
    I talked to my gyno about the depo shot and she said the MAJORIY of women who get the shot have negative side effects from it. There is also an implant of some sort (not Mirena) another option but once again bad side effects. My nuvaring costs $50 a month and I pay it because I am too forgetful to take a pill everyday. I don't think offering "free" birth control would cost very much. You could do it on need basis if necessary. Either way, just give them the cheapest pill around which is probably $15 without insurance.

    The estimated cost of delivery alone is $6,000 – $8,000 for a low risk pregnancy, and the cost increases if it is a high risk pregnancy.
    Birth control pills may be purchased with a prescription at a drugstore or clinic. They cost about $15–$50 a month.
    So assuming the lower cost, you can give 400 women birth control pills(6,000/15) and if it stops one pregnancy it is paid off. That is just the cost of the delivery, not the doctors visits and pre natal care.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    I talked to my gyno about the depo shot and she said the MAJORIY of women who get the shot have negative side effects from it.
    Yes, it does; including significant bone degeneration. That's what most people don't realize. Birth control isn't simple. It's often expensive, time consuming, inconvenient, and often times medically harmful.

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    There is also an implant of some sort (not Mirena) another option but once again bad side effects. My nuvaring costs $50 a month and I pay it because I am too forgetful to take a pill everyday. I don't think offering "free" birth control would cost very much. You could do it on need basis if necessary. Either way, just give them the cheapest pill around which is probably $15 without insurance.
    Despite using the mini pill (because I breastfed), I became pregnant, likely because I failed to take it exactly the same time each day. A few times I forgot and took it several hours late. I've also tried Implanon. I wont go into the side effects of that.



    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    So assuming the lower cost, you can give 400 women birth control pills(6,000/15) and if it stops one pregnancy it is paid off. That is just the cost of the delivery, not the doctors visits and pre natal care.
    That makes perfect sense. Some people are so reluctant to help others, they deny even the most sensible compromises.
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