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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    So force insurance companies, by government decree, another unfunded mandate and paid for by policy holders, to be responsible for the irresponsible. Got it...
    You have conveniently skirted the entire point of his argument (and my post in response to you earlier in this thread). Is there a reason for that? Perhaps because you can't respond? Perhaps because, if government mandate causes lower net insurance payouts and therefore has the possibility of lowering premiums while at the same time sharply decreasing the number of unwanted pregnancies (a source of numerous social problems), that a government mandate is in this instance actually doing something good, which you can't accept?
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    So force insurance companies, by government decree, another unfunded mandate and paid for by policy holders, to be responsible for the irresponsible. Got it...

    Forcing health insurance to cover health care. What an amazing concept!

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Forcing health insurance to cover health care. What an amazing concept!
    I do not consider birth control as health care. If you are having sex while using contraception you are in it for the enjoyment only. So "forcing health insurance to cover safe entertainment" would be a more accurate wording. Whats next? Will we force agencies to pay for bicycle helmets and the like?

    If pregnancies spontaneously occurred you could have an argument but since it is a direct result of a persons actions, I do not feel it is anyone elses responsibility to insure you have no unwanted children. I have never caused a pregnancy. Why? because I use proper protection or do not have sex. It is really very elementary.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I do not consider birth control as health care. If you are having sex while using contraception you are in it for the enjoyment only.
    Ya know enjoyment is a part of a happy healthy life. And having sex with out the intent of procreation serves more of a purpose than just enjoyment.

    So "forcing health insurance to cover safe entertainment" would be a more accurate wording. Whats next? Will we force agencies to pay for bicycle helmets and the like?
    In Texas people are already forced to buy them.

    If pregnancies spontaneously occurred you could have an argument but since it is a direct result of a persons actions, I do not feel it is anyone elses responsibility to insure you have no unwanted children. I have never caused a pregnancy. Why? because I use proper protection or do not have sex. It is really very elementary.
    Broken arms usually aren't spontaneous either. A lot of times people get them doing enjoyable activities. Should they not be covered either?

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    I'm all for it. Anything that reduces unwanted pregnancies, along with all the emotional wreckage such pregnancies wreak, is a financially prudent thing to do. I must confess that with all the cash the government flings around and wastes on a daily basis, that this is what causes such angst amongst certain folks.

    It also is profoundly confusing that those who do not want women with unwanted pregnancies to have the choice of terminating them would not be delighted by a government program that is practically guaranteed to substantially reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, along with the number of abortions performed. Why would they possibly oppose such a thing? Unless, of course, the anti-choice stance is just an excuse and part of a larger agenda of preventing any reproductive choice at all for women, including the choice of preventing pregnancy in the first place.

    'Tis a puzzlement.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Hmm I wonder why Fox news put it that way?
    Perhaps because they are reporting the facts in this case as news?

    Unless of course you have evidence that FOX made it all up .... please... post it up.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How much do unwanted pregnancies add to the cost of insurance/tax burden for everyone?
    Yes yes we know... and how many more welfare recipients, and how many more food stamp recipients, and poor, and diseased, and homeless, and don't forget crime and then incarceration. Best to just cut the middleman out Deuce and just pay once for the operation and render people infertile. A modified broken window fallacy.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    With insurance BC costs as much as your co-pay. It isn't expensive and if you have insurance you can probably afford the $15 or $25 a month. If you can't, spend the $7 on a box of condoms. Reproductive health and contraception are the responsibility of the individual. I hate that the immediate solution to problems seems to involve diminishing the affected party's responsibility in handling their own affairs.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    I have two questions.
    1. Is the co-pay on birth control typically higher than on other drugs?
    2. How much of an impact will this have if it only affects women with insurance? Meaning, what percentage of unwanted pregnancies occur in women without insurance?
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    I have two questions.
    1. Is the co-pay on birth control typically higher than on other drugs?
    2. How much of an impact will this have if it only affects women with insurance? Meaning, what percentage of unwanted pregnancies occur in women without insurance?
    I pay my perscription co-pay for birth control. Yaz has a generic (though there's a lawsuit..the generic wasn't supposed to release until late 2012..but whatever) so I pay $15 instead of paying $25 for a name brand. I've been covered by BCBS, United Healthcare, Aetna, and one other I can't remember now and all of them treated birth control as a normal perscription. Some of them even allowed the yearly woman's exam to be performed w/no copay for the doctor's visit.

    For other forms of birth control (Mirena, Nuvaring, the patch, etc) there are no generics. Mirena requires that you undergo an extensive procedure, so it's a bit more expensive because of that. Nuvaring was $25/month for me, no idea on the patch because I never tried it.

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