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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You said that if 1 pregnancy were prevented, it would save money.
    What if by happen stance, 1 pregnancy were induced?
    Because of neglectful or careless understanding of how BC works?

    It would then cost more money, that doesn't also include the now subsidized cost, the people were paying before hand.
    I provided you with nationally recognized statistics. You are grasping at straws. I proved to you that it will be more cost efficient. 85% of people get pregnant without birth control. 5% get pregnant with birth control. It is more cost efficient. You aren't going to prove me wrong with this.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If additional people don't take advantage of it, it will just displace the cost to all payers of the insurance plan, even those who don't need or use BC.
    If people don't taker advantage of the program how much money will be spent on not providing contraceptives?
    Last edited by Simon W. Moon; 07-23-11 at 07:37 PM.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    I provided you with nationally recognized statistics. You are grasping at straws. I proved to you that it will be more cost efficient. 85% of people get pregnant without birth control. 5% get pregnant with birth control. It is more cost efficient. You aren't going to prove me wrong with this.
    I'm not at all.
    See unplanned pregnancies ≠ unwanted pregnancies.

    You're assuming that all people who have unplanned pregnancies will use this and that all people who have unplanned pregnancies, do not want the child.

    You're making a lot of leaps with your assertions.

    The fact is that birth control is already widely affordable, why aren't these women using birth control now?
    Why incentive would be created to visit a doctor, to get BC when they didn't really care for it, beforehand?

    Cost is marginal as it is.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    If people don't taker advantage of the program how much money will be spent on not providing contraceptives?
    Again with this assumption that it is too expensive.
    The cost of birth control is already easily affordable.

    It's just that are a lot of immature/irresponsible guys and girls that don't use it.

    If you're referring to potential pregnancy costs, that answer is unknown, just like the potential savings because there is no clear data that people will actually use it responsibly.
    Last edited by Harry Guerrilla; 07-23-11 at 07:44 PM.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    After re-reading the article from the OP and reviewing the PPAC, I find the commentary from the article to be very misleading.

    From the article:

    "The request for the study actually came out of the health care legislation and I am pleased that the secretary has indicated that the department will implement it quickly," said Rep. Lois Capps, D-Calif.
    The "study" Rep. Capps refers to is section 2953 from PPAC, "Personal Responsibility Education". It provides details of a 3-year grant program offered to the states who would then distribute funds to "local organization or entities to carry out personal responsibility education programs...designed to educate adolescents on both abstinence and contraception for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV/AIDS.

    The program replicates evidence-based effective programs or substantially incorporates elements of effective programs that have been proven on the basis of rigorous scientific research to change behavior, which means delaying sexual activity, increasing condom or contraceptive use for sexually active youth, or reducing pregnancy among youth."

    A word search of the PPAC using specific words commonly linked to birth control terminalogy yielded the following results:

    birth control - 0 results

    (birth control) pill - 0 results

    condom - 1 result

    contraceptive - 1 result

    contraception - 4 results

    More from the article:

    “If accepted these recommendations would mean that virtually all private employers, private companies, organizations, such as the USCCB, would be required by law to cover in their insurance to employees, these problematic procedures, drugs and devices,” said USCCB spokeswoman Deirdre McQuade.
    Search result using the word "insurance" (in section 2953 only) - 0 results

    Furthermore, from the article:

    “More than half of pregnancies in the U.S. are unintended. Forty percent of those end in abortion,” said Dr. Cathleen London, a physician and professor at Weill-Cornell Medical College. “So if we want to talk about reducing teenage pregnancy, reducing abortion, contraception and making it easily available without the ridiculously high co-pays that insurance companies are charging, (it [...distributing contraceptives via insurance companies]) is the way to go.”
    Considering that there's been so much opposition by the GOP to defund such national organizations like Planned Parenthood, it would makes sense to use insurance companies to administer free birth control to our youth to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Of course, we as parents can be the best source for prevention. But you know kids...head strong...until they recognize their mistake(s). Believe me...I know this first hand as a parent of five children. Thank God only one had a child out of wedlock. But I'm happy to announce she married a few years later to a very decent man and is very happy with their expanded family, four wonderful grandbabies in all. None of my other young-adult children have kids; all are responsible where sex and contraceptive use are concerned. I'm proud to say I've taught them well in that regard.

    Sidenote: It must be re-emphasized, the recommendation to distribute free contraceptives through health insurance is NOT in the PPAC nor did it originate with the federal government (Obama Administration). It came from the Institute of Medicine, and there's no guarantee that insurance companies will adopt such a measure. Please, try to keep that in mind throughout the course of this debate topic.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 07-23-11 at 07:49 PM.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    After re-reading the article from the OP and reviewing the PPAC, I find the commentary from the article to be very misleading.
    It's misleading in ways more than that.

    Birth control won't be "free." Rather, health insurance companies will be required to provide it to all women who purchase health insurance. So it will be a first tier service of health insurance providers. Women will pay for it as a part of their health insurance premium rather than having to provide a co-pay.

    Not sure if that has been corrected or not.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    It's misleading in ways more than that.

    Birth control won't be "free." Rather, health insurance companies will be required to provide it to all women who purchase health insurance. So it will be a first tier service of health insurance providers. Women will pay for it as a part of their health insurance premium rather than having to provide a co-pay.

    Not sure if that has been corrected or not.
    To correct it further, all people who purchase insurance will be required to pay for it, because price discrimination is now illegal, even if someone is statistically more likely to use their insurance more.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    ....

    Okay, you missed the point, it's too deep I guess. Here, I'll make it simple.

    "Just mandate it as free..."

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE.

    What do you think will happen to the cost of Insurance? Go up, or down?

    Mandated to be paid for, for free...

    (insert jeopardy theme music)


    Answer?



    So, the over all point is, the people making these decisions have no ****ing clue what the repercussions for their actions are.
    How is this going to affect your insurance premium? And you didn't even make it clear how it would be free, so I am confused...

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    The government are a bunch of overpaid bureaucratic assholes who use government funds to take vacations and fund private jets, not to mention throwing money around like confetti at completely idiotic things, and you are outraged by THIS? Seriously?
    Slow down with that common sense crap, you're supposed to be outraged about less abortions and welfare moms...

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Unwanted pregnancies and divorce drive poverty rates. This is pretty meh. But, its not free, thats a given.
    Not doing something about it is costly to society as well.

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