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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If it's already that cheap, then why aren't these people buying it?
    How successful can this be, knowing that it's already cheap and some people aren't using it?
    If people don't take advantage of it, then there will be relatively little impact good or ill from the proposal should it ever take effect.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's a political trick, this is an election season
    Your case that the panel are hacks is based on what exactly?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    I noticed you didnt respond to the math in my post. Only to my request for information. Thank you for the link, I will look more into it later. As for what you posted in your quote, it does not say that preventative care is not cost effective. It says there are cases for it and there are cases you shouldn't do it. It doesn't make sense to have everyone screened for Parkinson's, obviously, but there are many widespread diseases where it would save tons of money to screen for it to catch it early and to treat it. Just reading your quote proves my point more than it proves yours.
    But your math is an assumption based on perfectly rational humans, which we aren't.
    Of those 400, how many will actually complete their regular birth control regimen?

    How many will make mistakes like taking antibiotics, which nulls the effects of some BC, then getting pregnant.
    The world doesn't fall into a perfectly mathematical formula like you laid out.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Also note, that this won't actually be free.
    The cost will be rolled into the monthly premiums of both people who need and don't need BC.
    This is part of the reason why insurance costs so much.
    What is the reason that the panel said they were recommending that insurance cover contraceptives? I know you think the panel said what they did because they're politically motivated to say such things, but, what's the ostensible reason why they're recommending this?
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Your case that the panel are hacks is based on what exactly?
    Not the panels, but that the administration is considering making it official policy.
    Just seems a bit too convenient to me.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    If people don't take advantage of it, then there will be relatively little impact good or ill from the proposal should it ever take effect.
    If additional people don't take advantage of it, it will just displace the cost to all payers of the insurance plan, even those who don't need or use BC.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    But your math is an assumption based on perfectly rational humans, which we aren't.
    Of those 400, how many will actually complete their regular birth control regimen?

    How many will make mistakes like taking antibiotics, which nulls the effects of some BC, then getting pregnant.
    The world doesn't fall into a perfectly mathematical formula like you laid out.
    I think the 1.68 million cushion is pretty safe. You would have to have the LARGE MAJORITY of the second 400 not completing the birth control regimen or taking antibiotics.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If additional people don't take advantage of it, it will just displace the cost to all payers of the insurance plan, even those who don't need or use BC.
    If people don't take advantage of it, no one buys it so the company isn't out any money!
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    If people don't take advantage of it, no one buys it so the company isn't out any money!
    The insurance premium payers are out of money, because the people already taking it, have their costs subsidized.
    They no longer have to pay for it, directly.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    I think the 1.68 million cushion is pretty safe. You would have to have the LARGE MAJORITY of the second 400 not completing the birth control regimen or taking antibiotics.
    You said that if 1 pregnancy were prevented, it would save money.
    What if by happen stance, 1 pregnancy were induced?
    Because of neglectful or careless understanding of how BC works?

    It would then cost more money, that doesn't also include the now subsidized cost, the people were paying before hand.
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