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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post

    Preventative medicine doesn't save money, already been documented.
    Preventative lifestyle practices save money.
    Say what? Aren't preventative medicines part of preventive lifestyles?
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Say what? Aren't preventative medicines part of preventive lifestyles?
    No.
    Preventative lifestyle is about behavior changes that displace the need for the use of medical services, including medications.
    Although I will concede some medications are more beneficial, like immunizations.

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    I suppose including BC would be good too, but if we're talking about disease prevention, condoms tend to work better and it's not a medication.
    Although again, we're taking the price mechanism out of the conscience of consumer choice, which will distort the medical market even more.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No.
    Preventative lifestyle is about behavior changes that displace the need for the use of medical services, including medications.
    Although I will concede some medications are more beneficial, like immunizations.
    People don't change. Policies need to reflect that. Simply put, it is easier and cheaper to pay for birth control and similar services than it is to pay for unwanted children.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    BC is an ongoing cost, for a lot of people and those potential savings are assumed, not necessarily real.



    Preventative medicine doesn't save money, already been documented.
    Preventative lifestyle practices save money.
    Please show me where it has been documented that preventative medicine doesn't save money. I would be curious to see this. I haven't heard of such research but I would like to.

    Also, alright so lets do some math. Lets take a sample of 800 women for a year. The first 400 women do not take the birth control pill. According to statistics 85% of women will get pregnant with no method of birth control. (I have added the website for a list of statistics for failure rates of methods of birth control) Alright, so 85% of 400 is 340 women get pregnant. I will use a figure I used early that says the cost of just delivery of a baby is $6000-$8000 dollars. Lets be conservative and use the $6000. That totals $2,040,000. Second set of 400 use the birth control pill. 5% of women getting pregnant taking the pill. So 5% of 400 is 20 times $6,000 is 120,000. So the ongoing cost needs to be added in. Lets say the birth control pills cost $50(high end) a month. That totals $240,000 (400 women x $50 x 12 months). Add $240,000 and $120,000 equals $360,000. That is a savings of $1,680,000. I say it is worth it...


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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Preventative care saves money in other realms, as well. If one gets certain types of preventative care, cancer is easier to catch in its earliest stages. This concept applies to all areas of health care. It's basic common sense.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    Please show me where it has been documented that preventative medicine doesn't save money. I would be curious to see this. I haven't heard of such research but I would like to.

    Also, alright so lets do some math. Lets take a sample of 800 women for a year. The first 400 women do not take the birth control pill. According to statistics 85% of women will get pregnant with no method of birth control. (I have added the website for a list of statistics for failure rates of methods of birth control) Alright, so 85% of 400 is 340 women get pregnant. I will use a figure I used early that says the cost of just delivery of a baby is $6000-$8000 dollars. Lets be conservative and use the $6000. That totals $2,040,000. Second set of 400 use the birth control pill. 5% of women getting pregnant taking the pill. So 5% of 400 is 20 times $6,000 is 120,000. So the ongoing cost needs to be added in. Lets say the birth control pills cost $50(high end) a month. That totals $240,000 (400 women x $50 x 12 months). Add $240,000 and $120,000 equals $360,000. That is a savings of $1,680,000. I say it is worth it...


    Overview: Birth Control : American Pregnancy Association
    Quote Originally Posted by NEJM
    Sweeping statements about the cost-saving potential of prevention, however, are overreaching. Studies have concluded that preventing illness can in some cases save money but in other cases can add to health care costs.3 For example, screening costs will exceed the savings from avoided treatment in cases in which only a very small fraction of the population would have become ill in the absence of preventive measures. Preventive measures that do not save money may or may not represent cost-effective care (i.e., good value for the resources expended). Whether any preventive measure saves money or is a reasonable investment despite adding to costs depends entirely on the particular intervention and the specific population in question. For example, drugs used to treat high cholesterol yield much greater value for the money if the targeted population is at high risk for coronary heart disease, and the efficiency of cancer screening can depend heavily on both the frequency of the screening and the level of cancer risk in the screened population.4
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Preventative care saves money in other realms, as well. If one gets certain types of preventative care, cancer is easier to catch in its earliest stages. This concept applies to all areas of health care. It's basic common sense.
    That is not true.
    The cost of screening everyone, would greatly exceed the cost of treating those who developed higher levels of cancer, if not caught earlier.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Why not make all preventive medicine free?
    Because not all preventative medicine has the same roi? Just guessing that there may be some differences. I could be wrong--it may be all the same. idk

    I think that some insurers already give discounts etc for not smoking, going to the gym and other sorts of wellness activities based on the proposition that by doing so the insurers are saving money in the long run.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Because not all preventative medicine has the same roi? Just guessing that there may be some differences. I could be wrong--it may be all the same. idk

    I think that some insurers already give discounts etc for not smoking, going to the gym and other sorts of wellness activities based on the proposition that by doing so the insurers are saving money in the long run.
    That is because it is actually preventative, as opposed to just giving out all sorts of medicine freebies.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I noticed you didnt respond to the math in my post. Only to my request for information. Thank you for the link, I will look more into it later. As for what you posted in your quote, it does not say that preventative care is not cost effective. It says there are cases for it and there are cases you shouldn't do it. It doesn't make sense to have everyone screened for Parkinson's, obviously, but there are many widespread diseases where it would save tons of money to screen for it to catch it early and to treat it. Just reading your quote proves my point more than it proves yours.

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