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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Both. As a female, I can attest that birth control is a huge burden to many women. Some women find an effective, convenient birth control, and others can't for medical reasons. Even the women that do find decent birth control are still at risk for medical complications such as a higher risk of heart attacks, clots, cancer, severe weight gain, mood changes, etc. Most men just assume that the woman is ultimately responsible for preventing pregnancies. Then many of those same people refuse to give women the freedom to decide to end the pregnancy because of moral agendas.
    I understand that.
    I do not see how most/all women can't afford to pay for it, when it is already widely affordable.

    I do not care if women want abortions, provided that they can pay for themselves or get a charity to pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    There does need to be more birth control methods aimed at men, as well as free birth control, even long term birth control, for women. The only other way of reducing unwanted births is forced sterilization. That would be a disaster.
    I partially agree.
    Condoms are cheap, it's not like it's a budget breaker to get a box.
    I'd also like to see more options for birth control for men.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I understand that.
    I do not see how most/all women can't afford to pay for it, when it is already widely affordable.

    I do not care if women want abortions, provided that they can pay for themselves or get a charity to pay for it.



    I partially agree.
    Condoms are cheap, it's not like it's a budget breaker to get a box.
    I'd also like to see more options for birth control for men.
    The cheaper forms of birth control are often the most inconvenient. And like it or not, that plays a huge role in it's effectiveness.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Logic says that they may not necessarily use the BC, even if it's free.
    There is no further information to say that they will.

    It's a logical fallacy to say otherwise.
    If they don't use the BC there is no cost. You think the majority of people are going to go to the pharmacy get BC and then throw it out? I don't understand your thought here?

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    This is good policy making. Insurance already distributes the cost over a big group of people (or companies), and birth control pills are made in very cost-effective ways now. Providing free contraception will always help offset the costs of pre-natal and post-natal care. This kind of policy works overseas just as well as it works on American soil. Once unwanted pregnancies and children happen, the system spends far, far more than it would have on prevention.

    This will save the government money and save Americans some social turmoil at the same time.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I understand that.
    I do not see how most/all women can't afford to pay for it, when it is already widely affordable.

    I do not care if women want abortions, provided that they can pay for themselves or get a charity to pay for it.



    I partially agree.
    Condoms are cheap, it's not like it's a budget breaker to get a box.
    I'd also like to see more options for birth control for men.
    I basically don't agree with your qualm. It's true that there is no guarantee that people will use the free birth control, but many will, and that is where the savings come in. I would certainly use free birth control if it were available to me. This doesn't just make fiscal sense, but social sense as well.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    If they don't use the BC there is no cost. You think the majority of people are going to go to the pharmacy get BC and then throw it out? I don't understand your thought here?
    People are not perfectly rational beings.
    It's more likely that those who already use BC, will now get it for free and those who didn't before, still won't even with this recommendation because the price of BC was nominal in the first place.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Also note, that this won't actually be free.
    The cost will be rolled into the monthly premiums of both people who need and don't need BC.

    This is part of the reason why insurance costs so much.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    People are not perfectly rational beings.
    It's more likely that those who already use BC, will now get it for free and those who didn't before, still won't even with this recommendation because the price of BC was nominal in the first place.
    Once again, you can do it on a need basis. And for the post about insurance premiums. It has been address MANY times.

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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    Once again, you can do it on a need basis. And for the post about insurance premiums. It has been address MANY times.
    Sure we could, in fact we already do but that is not what the government recommendation is saying.
    It's saying all women, not noting income or any need based reason, should get free BC among other things.

    What has been addressed?
    You pad the insurance plan with benefits, people will necessarily have to pay more, whether or not they actually use those benefits.
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    Re: Contraceptive Recommendation Creates New Controversy for Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Also note, that this won't actually be free.
    The cost will be rolled into the monthly premiums of both people who need and don't need BC.

    This is part of the reason why insurance costs so much.

    A "LIKE" just wasn't enough for this post Harry. This has to be restated over and over and over again. Where the common fallacy of "FREE" comes from is beyond me. "FREE" in this case you nailed on the head.
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