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Obama, in stand for gay rights, calls for repeal of DOMA

ptif219 said:
No hetrosexuals will not enter a gay marriage.
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Exactly. Straight people aren't attracted to people of the same sex, so talking about their right to marry people of the same sex is meaningless. Likewise the silly argument that gay people have the same rights as straight people because they have the right to marry people of the opposite sex is also meaningless since they aren't attracted to people of the opposite sex. You follow?
 
ptif219 said:
No hetrosexuals will not enter a gay marriage.

The law was changed because people make a lifestyle choice. Should we also pass sharia law because muslims want it?
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Passing sharia law is in no way even logical close to the equivilant of equal gay rights LMAO now you are just making stuff up.
 
ptif219 said:
Didn't he say that in 2008 yet he has failed. Obama will say what he thinks the group he is talking to wants to hear. He is concerned about votes and the election not about gays
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as long as gays get what they want, who gives a ****? You rub my back, I rub yours.
 
Aderleth said:
First, most Muslims who live in the US don't want Sharia law to be the law of the land. If they wanted to live in a theocracy, they wouldn't have come here. Second, Sharia law will never be a part of US law (except as a referent for judges and juries to use in establishing various mental states of individuals who are Muslim, and sometimes in arbitration contexts) because it'd be unconstitutional to do so. Third, the gay marriage issue is about equality, and the right to marry the person of your choice. It's essentially the same issue that was decided decades ago in Loving v Virginia, which did away with bans on interracial marriage.
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Show proof of that
 
Centrist77 said:
Passing sharia law is in no way even logical close to the equivilant of equal gay rights LMAO now you are just making stuff up.
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Really? It is their life style so they should have the right.

Then of course we should also allow polygamy because it hurts no one it is a lifestyle some prefer.
 
ptif219 said:
The first point
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Proof that American Muslims don't want Sharia law in our courts? It's pretty obvious, at least with respect to first generation Muslim immigrants, based on the fact that they moved here. Sharia has a pretty strong presence in most middle eastern countries. If Muslim immigrants to the US were happy with a sharia-based system, they wouldn't have come here in the first place. Can you show me proof to the contrary? And please note that I've already pointed out the two exceptions: Sharia as relevant info for demonstration of mental states, and arbitration.
 
ptif219 said:
Really? It is their life style so they should have the right.

Then of course we should also allow polygamy because it hurts no one it is a lifestyle some prefer.
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again you offer NOTHING of substance and talk in circles and deflect LMAO
I guess in a way thats smart because when you get exposed this badly what are your real options, you either have to admit your are wrong and theres egg on your face or just lie and act like the other 155 posts in this thread didnt happen:laughat:

also just to address you meaningless attempt to change the subject, I am 100% fine with polygamy as long as its consensual adults. But again to people that live in REAL life polygamy has one REAL obstacle how do you regulate it law wise, meaning how is property/money/and rights dictated.

SSM doesnt have that problem, nothing changes besides gaining equal rights.

but again please offer ANYTHING of substance that addresses your wrongs in this thread and stays on topic.

also very funny to see you back pedal AGAIN and watch you own logic slap you right in the mouth.
 
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I read quite a few replies to this (since my earlier remarks) - and see some argument that support this proposed measure. I just still don't follow.

If someone isn't able to even afford birth control then perhaps they need to just avoid sex and abstain - obviously they wouldn't be able to afford properly using BC and it not working right . . .doesn't seem absurd to expect responsibility and accountability be present first.
 
This is a bit long, but it's worth watching. I really hope that ptif219 and apdst watch it.

 
Aderleth said:
Proof that American Muslims don't want Sharia law in our courts? It's pretty obvious, at least with respect to first generation Muslim immigrants, based on the fact that they moved here. Sharia has a pretty strong presence in most middle eastern countries. If Muslim immigrants to the US were happy with a sharia-based system, they wouldn't have come here in the first place. Can you show me proof to the contrary? And please note that I've already pointed out the two exceptions: Sharia as relevant info for demonstration of mental states, and arbitration.
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So you have no proof just your opinion
 
Centrist77 said:
again you offer NOTHING of substance and talk in circles and deflect LMAO
I guess in a way thats smart because when you get exposed this badly what are your real options, you either have to admit your are wrong and theres egg on your face or just lie and act like the other 155 posts in this thread didnt happen:laughat:

also just to address you meaningless attempt to change the subject, I am 100% fine with polygamy as long as its consensual adults. But again to people that live in REAL life polygamy has one REAL obstacle how do you regulate it law wise, meaning how is property/money/and rights dictated.

SSM doesnt have that problem, nothing changes besides gaining equal rights.

but again please offer ANYTHING of substance that addresses your wrongs in this thread and stays on topic.

also very funny to see you back pedal AGAIN and watch you own logic slap you right in the mouth.
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Whats the difference in your eyes only you can be correct
 
ptif219 said:
Whats the difference in your eyes only you can be correct
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the difference is everything you have brought up is either flat out wrong, meaningless to the debate at hand or the so called logic you present can be used against you and you have no reply so you just move on. :shrug:
 
Aderleth said:
I provided you with an argument. Do you have any proof or an argument in support of your position? Also, since you asked...

Five myths about Muslims in America - The Washington Post

First Read - Muslims in America: Demographics and beliefs

These next three are links to Muslim organizations that promote American values:

Muslims for America

Muslims For A Safe America » Core Principles

United Muslims of America
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/20/opinion/20huq.html?ref=shariaislamiclaw

Is Sharia creeping? More states push anti-Muslim laws - Portland Religion & Politics | Examiner.com

CAIR urges defeat of Indiana anti-Sharia law bill | reportergary.com

Terrorist Front Group CAIR to sue Oklahoma over ban on Shari’a Law « Bare Naked Islam

Sharia Law | Fighting Radical Islam

Sharia law dispute goes to court - Washington Times
 
Moderator's Warning:
This thread is about DOMA, NOT about Muslims in America. Stay on topic.
 
ptif219 said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/20/opinion/20huq.html?ref=shariaislamiclaw

Is Sharia creeping? More states push anti-Muslim laws - Portland Religion & Politics | Examiner.com

CAIR urges defeat of Indiana anti-Sharia law bill | reportergary.com

Terrorist Front Group CAIR to sue Oklahoma over ban on Shari’a Law « Bare Naked Islam

Sharia Law | Fighting Radical Islam

Sharia law dispute goes to court - Washington Times
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All of your links are about attempts to ban the presence of Sharia in US courts, not about Muslims trying to get Sharia to replace our legal system. There are lots of contexts in which Sharia is relevant or necessary for the functioning of our legal system as it is now, in much the same way that the principles of many religions are relevant to certain types of legal proceedings. I've already pointed out two of them:
1) Sharia is relevant to the mental state of certain Muslims accused of crimes. This does not mean that Sharia is infiltrating our criminal justice system, it means that as part of the factual analysis that juries are called upon to perform, they need to look at all the relevant evidence. Similarly, a court may look to the religious beliefs of, say, a Christian, or a Hindu to the extent that those beliefs informed the mental state of the individual in question.
2) Arbitration proceedings - if two people agree between themselves to apply Sharia to, say, a contract, that's their business, and also has no impact on our legal system.
I'm now going to add a third one, raised by one of your articles:
3) Wills. People can, and should be able to set up their wills however the hell they want to. If someone wants to bequeath his estate in accordance with Sharia edict, that's his business. People of other faiths do this all the time.

In short, you really don't know what you're talking about, but you might want to review your own articles more thoroughly. I'll leave you with a relevant quote from the last one:

"While Muslim groups are angry about the Oklahoma referendum, leaders of their community say the way the U.S. currently handles matters pertaining to Sharia law is fine."
 
Ptif, who claims to be a Constitutionalist, refuses to admit that DOMA is unconstitutional...why am I not surprised?
 
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