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Obama, in stand for gay rights, calls for repeal of DOMA

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Obama, in stand for gay rights, calls for repeal of DOMA - CSMonitor.com

White House spokesman Jay Carney said Tuesday that Mr. Obama was “proud to support the [repeal effort], which would take the DOMA off the books once and for all.”

The announcement came a day before the Senate Judiciary Committee is set to conduct hearings examining the Respect for Marriage Act, a legislative vehicle designed to overturn DOMA.

I don't know what their chances are, but I am tentatively optimistic.
 
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H.R. 3567 amends Section 7 of title 1 in the United States Code to read:

(a) For the purposes of any Federal law in which marital status is a factor, an individual shall be considered married if that individual's marriage is valid in the State where the marriage was entered into or, in the case of a marriage entered into outside any State, if the marriage is valid in the place where entered into and the marriage could have been entered into in a State.

(b) In this section, the term `State' means a State, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or any other territory or possession of the United States.[6]

Respect for Marriage Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This would make it so the federal government would recognize and provide befits to SSM couples just as strait(Hi Spud) marriages. This would have no effect on states recognizing SSM.
 
Hasn't recent federal court rulings pretty much made DOMA obsolete, if not downright unconstitutional? Under what authority can the government refuse to extend rights equally to gays and straights alike?
 
Hasn't recent federal court rulings pretty much made DOMA obsolete, if not downright unconstitutional? Under what authority can the government refuse to extend rights equally to gays and straights alike?

But still on the books. What this would do is end DOMA sooner than it would be from carrying out the court cases. Either way it goes down, one way gets it done faster.
 
This is one of the stupidest, most uninformed statements I have seen that anyone with a significant position on this issue make.

“Congress rightly recognized that the lifelong, faithful union of a man and a woman is the fundamental building block of thriving societies,” Austin Nimocks of the Alliance Defense Fund, which supports DOMA, said in a statement. “The union between husband and wife benefits society – especially children – in unique and special ways that cannot be duplicated by any other relationship.”

This guy is a douche.

Apparently he doesn't realize that this not how the federal government considers whether it recognizes marriages or not. This includes infertile couples, older couples, and those cousin couples that I have mentioned in threads earlier.

I want to challenge this guy, in public, to show exactly how every opposite sex couple is automatically superior to every same sex couple (not that I truly believe, legally, that any couple is superior to any other just due to their genders). It would be wonderful to see him completely sputter and backtrack over himself when someone points out to him that Congress has no right to determine that the only factor that should determine what makes a couple beneficial enough for legal marriage is their sex, since nothing else applies to every opposite sex couple.
 
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Didn't he say that in 2008 yet he has failed. Obama will say what he thinks the group he is talking to wants to hear. He is concerned about votes and the election not about gays
 
Didn't he say that in 2008 yet he has failed. Obama will say what he thinks the group he is talking to wants to hear. He is concerned about votes and the election not about gays

I wonder what the Rev Wright preached about gay marriage? LOL

Maybe he missed those sermons too?

Tim-
 
I wonder what the Rev Wright preached about gay marriage? LOL

Maybe he missed those sermons too?

Tim-

Or maybe he isn't a blind sheep that believes and follows everything that the church tells him to. Ya think?
 
Or maybe he isn't a blind sheep that believes and follows everything that the church tells him to. Ya think?

Obama said it in 2008. Now it is another election season and he is repeating the same thing he lied about in 2008


Open Letter from Barack Obama to the LGBT Community | The Bilerico Project

As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples — whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage. Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) – a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. While some say we should repeal only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether. Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. I have also called for us to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and I have worked to improve the Uniting American Families Act so we can afford same-sex couples the same rights and obligations as married couples in our immigration system.
 
Or maybe he isn't a blind sheep that believes and follows everything that the church tells him to. Ya think?

Fool me once come to mind DD? He made this claim back in 08.. LOL

With a republican controlled house I doubt he'll get any traction this time either, but hey, it apparantely works on some of you.. :)


Tim-
 
Fool me once come to mind DD? He made this claim back in 08.. LOL

With a republican controlled house I doubt he'll get any traction this time either, but hey, it apparantely works on some of you.. :)


Tim-



Oh puh-lease.....Obama has done more for advancing equality for gay men and women than any President before him. You guys just don't like it because you want yoru bigotry to remain in force by the government.
 
Excuse me...but you guys have obviously been ignoring the reelection playbook. I told you all three months ago that he will be appealing to all the base special interest groups within 6 months including the homosexual groups. I believe a few people here even said 'really? When is he going to appeal to me?' Well...ta da...
 
Excuse me...but you guys have obviously been ignoring the reelection playbook. I told you all three months ago that he will be appealing to all the base special interest groups within 6 months including the homosexual groups. I believe a few people here even said 'really? When is he going to appeal to me?' Well...ta da...

Not argument from me, just sometimes things take a little longer to sink in for our less upwardly mobile members.. :)

Tim-
 
Oh puh-lease.....Obama has done more for advancing equality for gay men and women than any President before him. You guys just don't like it because you want yoru bigotry to remain in force by the government.

Obama advanced nothing. His DOJ has fought it
 
I know this is a little off topic but... repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell really didn't fix anything. If you were gay and in the military, you had to keep it under wraps or you were out. While that may be harsh, it protected the notion of professionalism in a sense. Think about it, not just gays, but EVERYONE who expresses their personal views in the workplace tend to be a distraction. In the military, yes gays would get kicked out if they were found out, but they only got found out if they were obnoxious about it or constantly hit on their coworkers, which is innappropriate for the work place anyway. Even if you're straight and do that you fall under the catagory of disruptive conduct or sexual harassment. So any SENSIBLE Soldier/Sailor/Airman/Marine, gay or straight, doesn't flaunt around parading their beliefs in the Military environment, therefore repealing DADT didn't really fix anything other than a problem that wasn't really there.
Obama said it in 2008. Now it is another election season and he is repeating the same thing he lied about in 2008


Open Letter from Barack Obama to the LGBT Community | The Bilerico Project

As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples — whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage. Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) – a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. While some say we should repeal only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether. Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. I have also called for us to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and I have worked to improve the Uniting American Families Act so we can afford same-sex couples the same rights and obligations as married couples in our immigration system.
 
My question is, why do people always bring up the fact that Obama is doing this for elections only? Why would he need to do this? If the decision is between Obama or a GOP candidate on this issue alone, most people would know which would fit their beliefs on this issue the best by now. It isn't like it is a secret until election time.

I personally think that Obama is right on this issue, mostly (one of the few I agree with him, to a point, with). The only part I really don't agree on, will most likely have to be decided by the SCOTUS, and that is what a state's right to discriminate against same sex couples should be.

But this issue won't come down to Obama, since anything done to change the current policy to allow same sex couples to be recognized as legally married by the federal government will almost certainly be approved by Obama. Now, that being said, it is quite possible that a GOP candidate who gets into office will be an issue, since if such a bill gets through Congress after the election (which is plausible, considering it is still in committee) and Obama isn't in office, it is quite likely that any of the GOP candidates currently vying for the Presidency are likely to veto the bill. This would be a huge blow to equality in marriage.

So, just looking at this issue in relation to the election, an intelligent person could see that as long as Obama holds his current stance, he has the vote of those who are pro-SSM if it comes down to this issue for them, and likely doesn't have the vote of those who are pro-DOMA. He doesn't have to try to change anything at all, because his current stance of not vetoing any bills to repeal DOMA is going to be better than the GOPs candidates' position of most likely vetoing any such bill and possibly pushing for an anti-SSM amendment.
 
My question is, why do people always bring up the fact that Obama is doing this for elections only? Why would he need to do this? If the decision is between Obama or a GOP candidate on this issue alone, most people would know which would fit their beliefs on this issue the best by now. It isn't like it is a secret until election time.

I personally think that Obama is right on this issue, mostly (one of the few I agree with him, to a point, with). The only part I really don't agree on, will most likely have to be decided by the SCOTUS, and that is what a state's right to discriminate against same sex couples should be.

But this issue won't come down to Obama, since anything done to change the current policy to allow same sex couples to be recognized as legally married by the federal government will almost certainly be approved by Obama. Now, that being said, it is quite possible that a GOP candidate who gets into office will be an issue, since if such a bill gets through Congress after the election (which is plausible, considering it is still in committee) and Obama isn't in office, it is quite likely that any of the GOP candidates currently vying for the Presidency are likely to veto the bill. This would be a huge blow to equality in marriage.

So, just looking at this issue in relation to the election, an intelligent person could see that as long as Obama holds his current stance, he has the vote of those who are pro-SSM if it comes down to this issue for them, and likely doesn't have the vote of those who are pro-DOMA. He doesn't have to try to change anything at all, because his current stance of not vetoing any bills to repeal DOMA is going to be better than the GOPs candidates' position of most likely vetoing any such bill and possibly pushing for an anti-SSM amendment.

Because EVERYTHING he does is for personal political gain. Its the same reason why so many democrats were pissed at him for his inaction during the run up to the 2010 elections, but then suddenly engages. The playbook isnt that hard to read...its like he is reading "Re-elections for Dummies". Me...I believe it will work. Ive said all along that regardless of his poll numbers unless something hugely catastrophic occurs like he gets caught with his penis in the family pet...and not just with photographic evidence...I mean caught...live...humping in the Rose Garden...he will get reelected.
 
I know this is a little off topic but... repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell really didn't fix anything. If you were gay and in the military, you had to keep it under wraps or you were out. While that may be harsh, it protected the notion of professionalism in a sense. Think about it, not just gays, but EVERYONE who expresses their personal views in the workplace tend to be a distraction. In the military, yes gays would get kicked out if they were found out, but they only got found out if they were obnoxious about it or constantly hit on their coworkers, which is innappropriate for the work place anyway. Even if you're straight and do that you fall under the catagory of disruptive conduct or sexual harassment. So any SENSIBLE Soldier/Sailor/Airman/Marine, gay or straight, doesn't flaunt around parading their beliefs in the Military environment, therefore repealing DADT didn't really fix anything other than a problem that wasn't really there.

This is wrong. I got married in the military. I didn't make it a big deal, but everyone I worked with was well aware that it was happening and I had done it. In fact, I had to talk to the XO about it. A gay servicemember cannot do this, whether it is a big deal or not. They could not even have the ceremony I had and tell people about it, with or without the legal marriage license, without very likely being discharged from the military under DADT. And, if DOMA does get repealed in the next couple of years, without DADT being repealed, a gay servicemember would not even be able to be involved in a legally recognized SSM without discharge, even if the only difference in their marriage compared to a straight servicemember's marriage is the sex of the two involved

Repeal of DADT does a lot of positive things for the military. They may not be huge changes or very visible changes, but they are good changes. There will be some negative things with them, but the positives will almost certainly be more important than the negatives.
 
Because EVERYTHING he does is for personal political gain. Its the same reason why so many democrats were pissed at him for his inaction during the run up to the 2010 elections, but then suddenly engages. The playbook isnt that hard to read...its like he is reading "Re-elections for Dummies". Me...I believe it will work. Ive said all along that regardless of his poll numbers unless something hugely catastrophic occurs like he gets caught with his penis in the family pet...and not just with photographic evidence...I mean caught...live...humping in the Rose Garden...he will get reelected.

Everything almost every politician does is for personal political gain. I wish this weren't true, but it is. I doubt there are a lot of politicians from either side that really want to help this country. A few maybe, but they are most likely those who are in the middle.
 
Because EVERYTHING he does is for personal political gain. Its the same reason why so many democrats were pissed at him for his inaction during the run up to the 2010 elections, but then suddenly engages. The playbook isnt that hard to read...its like he is reading "Re-elections for Dummies". Me...I believe it will work. Ive said all along that regardless of his poll numbers unless something hugely catastrophic occurs like he gets caught with his penis in the family pet...and not just with photographic evidence...I mean caught...live...humping in the Rose Garden...he will get reelected.

You really have not actually put any thought whatsoever into this have you? Gays tend to vote democrat. Gays are a tiny group. Pandering to a group who already supports you and who are relatively small by supporting a controversial legislation is not the way to get re-elected.
 
So any SENSIBLE Soldier/Sailor/Airman/Marine, gay or straight, doesn't flaunt around parading their beliefs in the Military environment, therefore repealing DADT didn't really fix anything other than a problem that wasn't really there.

No sensible gay in the military is going to flaunt it either. However, that is not the issue. Now gays won't have to worry about getting kicked out for not hiding it,or for being caught holding hands, or for discussing their girlfriend/boyfriend. In other words, now gays are going to be just like every one else.

The whole "professional" crap is just stupid. Treating a group of people who are serving their country and doing so perfectly well like crap because they are icky is not "professional".
 
Everything almost every politician does is for personal political gain. I wish this weren't true, but it is. I doubt there are a lot of politicians from either side that really want to help this country. A few maybe, but they are most likely those who are in the middle.

I dont at all disagree...
 
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