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    Re: Obama, in stand for gay rights, calls for repeal of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Or maybe he isn't a blind sheep that believes and follows everything that the church tells him to. Ya think?
    Obama said it in 2008. Now it is another election season and he is repeating the same thing he lied about in 2008


    Open Letter from Barack Obama to the LGBT Community | The Bilerico Project

    As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples — whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage. Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) – a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. While some say we should repeal only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether. Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. I have also called for us to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and I have worked to improve the Uniting American Families Act so we can afford same-sex couples the same rights and obligations as married couples in our immigration system.

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    Re: Obama, in stand for gay rights, calls for repeal of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Or maybe he isn't a blind sheep that believes and follows everything that the church tells him to. Ya think?
    Fool me once come to mind DD? He made this claim back in 08.. LOL

    With a republican controlled house I doubt he'll get any traction this time either, but hey, it apparantely works on some of you..


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    Re: Obama, in stand for gay rights, calls for repeal of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Fool me once come to mind DD? He made this claim back in 08.. LOL

    With a republican controlled house I doubt he'll get any traction this time either, but hey, it apparantely works on some of you..


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    Oh puh-lease.....Obama has done more for advancing equality for gay men and women than any President before him. You guys just don't like it because you want yoru bigotry to remain in force by the government.
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    Re: Obama, in stand for gay rights, calls for repeal of DOMA

    Excuse me...but you guys have obviously been ignoring the reelection playbook. I told you all three months ago that he will be appealing to all the base special interest groups within 6 months including the homosexual groups. I believe a few people here even said 'really? When is he going to appeal to me?' Well...ta da...

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    Re: Obama, in stand for gay rights, calls for repeal of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Excuse me...but you guys have obviously been ignoring the reelection playbook. I told you all three months ago that he will be appealing to all the base special interest groups within 6 months including the homosexual groups. I believe a few people here even said 'really? When is he going to appeal to me?' Well...ta da...
    Not argument from me, just sometimes things take a little longer to sink in for our less upwardly mobile members..

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    Re: Obama, in stand for gay rights, calls for repeal of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh puh-lease.....Obama has done more for advancing equality for gay men and women than any President before him. You guys just don't like it because you want yoru bigotry to remain in force by the government.
    Obama advanced nothing. His DOJ has fought it

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    Re: Obama, in stand for gay rights, calls for repeal of DOMA

    I know this is a little off topic but... repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell really didn't fix anything. If you were gay and in the military, you had to keep it under wraps or you were out. While that may be harsh, it protected the notion of professionalism in a sense. Think about it, not just gays, but EVERYONE who expresses their personal views in the workplace tend to be a distraction. In the military, yes gays would get kicked out if they were found out, but they only got found out if they were obnoxious about it or constantly hit on their coworkers, which is innappropriate for the work place anyway. Even if you're straight and do that you fall under the catagory of disruptive conduct or sexual harassment. So any SENSIBLE Soldier/Sailor/Airman/Marine, gay or straight, doesn't flaunt around parading their beliefs in the Military environment, therefore repealing DADT didn't really fix anything other than a problem that wasn't really there.
    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama said it in 2008. Now it is another election season and he is repeating the same thing he lied about in 2008


    Open Letter from Barack Obama to the LGBT Community | The Bilerico Project

    As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples — whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage. Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) – a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. While some say we should repeal only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether. Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. I have also called for us to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and I have worked to improve the Uniting American Families Act so we can afford same-sex couples the same rights and obligations as married couples in our immigration system.

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    Re: Obama, in stand for gay rights, calls for repeal of DOMA

    My question is, why do people always bring up the fact that Obama is doing this for elections only? Why would he need to do this? If the decision is between Obama or a GOP candidate on this issue alone, most people would know which would fit their beliefs on this issue the best by now. It isn't like it is a secret until election time.

    I personally think that Obama is right on this issue, mostly (one of the few I agree with him, to a point, with). The only part I really don't agree on, will most likely have to be decided by the SCOTUS, and that is what a state's right to discriminate against same sex couples should be.

    But this issue won't come down to Obama, since anything done to change the current policy to allow same sex couples to be recognized as legally married by the federal government will almost certainly be approved by Obama. Now, that being said, it is quite possible that a GOP candidate who gets into office will be an issue, since if such a bill gets through Congress after the election (which is plausible, considering it is still in committee) and Obama isn't in office, it is quite likely that any of the GOP candidates currently vying for the Presidency are likely to veto the bill. This would be a huge blow to equality in marriage.

    So, just looking at this issue in relation to the election, an intelligent person could see that as long as Obama holds his current stance, he has the vote of those who are pro-SSM if it comes down to this issue for them, and likely doesn't have the vote of those who are pro-DOMA. He doesn't have to try to change anything at all, because his current stance of not vetoing any bills to repeal DOMA is going to be better than the GOPs candidates' position of most likely vetoing any such bill and possibly pushing for an anti-SSM amendment.
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    Re: Obama, in stand for gay rights, calls for repeal of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by The Rev Kros View Post
    I can't believe I am defending this guy, but he has stopped defending DOMA in court since Feb.
    Statement of the Attorney General on Litigation Involving the Defense of Marriage Act
    Well it's a common sense sort of thing. It's questionable legislation at best. But that doesn't really mean anything. I still think that this is all words and no action. I'll believe it when I see it.
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    Re: Obama, in stand for gay rights, calls for repeal of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    My question is, why do people always bring up the fact that Obama is doing this for elections only? Why would he need to do this? If the decision is between Obama or a GOP candidate on this issue alone, most people would know which would fit their beliefs on this issue the best by now. It isn't like it is a secret until election time.

    I personally think that Obama is right on this issue, mostly (one of the few I agree with him, to a point, with). The only part I really don't agree on, will most likely have to be decided by the SCOTUS, and that is what a state's right to discriminate against same sex couples should be.

    But this issue won't come down to Obama, since anything done to change the current policy to allow same sex couples to be recognized as legally married by the federal government will almost certainly be approved by Obama. Now, that being said, it is quite possible that a GOP candidate who gets into office will be an issue, since if such a bill gets through Congress after the election (which is plausible, considering it is still in committee) and Obama isn't in office, it is quite likely that any of the GOP candidates currently vying for the Presidency are likely to veto the bill. This would be a huge blow to equality in marriage.

    So, just looking at this issue in relation to the election, an intelligent person could see that as long as Obama holds his current stance, he has the vote of those who are pro-SSM if it comes down to this issue for them, and likely doesn't have the vote of those who are pro-DOMA. He doesn't have to try to change anything at all, because his current stance of not vetoing any bills to repeal DOMA is going to be better than the GOPs candidates' position of most likely vetoing any such bill and possibly pushing for an anti-SSM amendment.
    Because EVERYTHING he does is for personal political gain. Its the same reason why so many democrats were pissed at him for his inaction during the run up to the 2010 elections, but then suddenly engages. The playbook isnt that hard to read...its like he is reading "Re-elections for Dummies". Me...I believe it will work. Ive said all along that regardless of his poll numbers unless something hugely catastrophic occurs like he gets caught with his penis in the family pet...and not just with photographic evidence...I mean caught...live...humping in the Rose Garden...he will get reelected.

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