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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Still no specifics of where the cuts are and how much or where he is raising taxes and how much. This is a speech not a plan
    Since you have not bothered to look at Obama's deficit reduction plan, you naturally assume it does not exist?

    Policy Highlights.

    The policy highlights in the President’s framework build on the down-payment included in his FY 2012 Budget. They include:

    * Non-security discretionary spending: The President is proposing to build on the savings from the FY 2011 budget agreement, while investing in key drivers of economic growth like energy innovation, education, and infrastructure. This would entail cutting non-security discretionary spending to levels consistent with the Fiscal Commission, saving $770 billion by 2023.
    * Security spending: The President’s framework will go beyond the Fiscal Year 2012 Budget to achieve deeper reductions in security spending. It sets a goal of holding the growth in base security spending below inflation, while ensuring our capacity to meet our national security responsibilities, which would save $400 billion by 2023.
    * Health care: The President’s framework builds on the Affordable Care Act by including new reforms aimed at further reducing the growth of health care spending – a major driver of long-term deficits. The President opposes any plan that would simply shift costs to seniors and the vulnerable by undermining Medicare and Medicaid. Building on the foundation of the historic deficit reduction achieved through the Affordable Care Act, the framework would save an additional $340 billion by 2021, $480 billion by 2023, and at least an additional $1 trillion in the subsequent decade. These savings complement the new patient safety initiative that could lower Medicare costs by another $50 billion over the next decade by providing better care. The President’s framework includes initiatives that will:
    * Bend the long-term cost curve by setting a more ambitious target of holding Medicare cost growth per beneficiary to GDP per capita plus 0.5 percent beginning in 2018, through strengthening the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB).
    * Make Medicaid more flexible, efficient and accountable without resorting to block granting the program, ending our partnership with States or reducing health care coverage for seniors in nursing homes, the most economically vulnerable and people with disabilities. Combined Medicaid savings of at least $100 billion over 10 years.
    * Reduce Medicare’s excessive spending on prescription drugs and lower drug premiums for beneficiaries without shifting costs to seniors or privatizing Medicare. Combined Medicare savings of at least $200 billion over 10 years.
    * Other mandatory spending: Outside of health care, comprehensive deficit reduction must include savings in other mandatory programs, including agricultural subsidies, the federal pension insurance system, and anti-fraud measures, while protecting and strengthening programs that serve low-income families and other vulnerable Americans. The President’s framework includes a target of $360 billion in savings from other mandatory programs by 2023.
    * Tax reform: the President is calling for individual tax reform that closes loopholes and produces a system which is simpler, fairer and not rigged in favor of those who can afford lawyers and accountants to game it. The President supports the Fiscal Commission’s goal of reducing tax expenditures enough to both lower rates and lower the deficit.
    * Social Security: The President does not believe that Social Security is in crisis nor is a driver of our near-term deficit problems. But, in the context of an aging population and a Social Security wage base that is declining as a share of overall earnings, Social Security faces long-term challenges that are better addressed sooner than later to ensure that the program remains for future generations the rock-solid benefit for older Americans that it has been for past generations. That is why the President supports bipartisan efforts to strengthen Social Security for the long haul. These efforts should be guided by several principles, including strengthening the program and not privatizing it, improving retirement security for the vulnerable while protecting people with disabilities and current beneficiaries, and not slashing benefits for future generations."


    See further details at website:
    FACT SHEET: The President's Framework for Shared Prosperity and Shared Fiscal Responsibility | The White House
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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Still no specifics of where the cuts are and how much or where he is raising taxes and how much. This is a speech not a plan
    ah, so you totally deny that Obama is willing to cut spending....trillions of it?

    wow.


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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Since you have not bothered to look at Obama's deficit reduction plan, you naturally assume it does not exist?

    Policy Highlights.

    The policy highlights in the President’s framework build on the down-payment included in his FY 2012 Budget. They include:

    * Non-security discretionary spending: The President is proposing to build on the savings from the FY 2011 budget agreement, while investing in key drivers of economic growth like energy innovation, education, and infrastructure. This would entail cutting non-security discretionary spending to levels consistent with the Fiscal Commission, saving $770 billion by 2023.
    * Security spending: The President’s framework will go beyond the Fiscal Year 2012 Budget to achieve deeper reductions in security spending. It sets a goal of holding the growth in base security spending below inflation, while ensuring our capacity to meet our national security responsibilities, which would save $400 billion by 2023.
    * Health care: The President’s framework builds on the Affordable Care Act by including new reforms aimed at further reducing the growth of health care spending – a major driver of long-term deficits. The President opposes any plan that would simply shift costs to seniors and the vulnerable by undermining Medicare and Medicaid. Building on the foundation of the historic deficit reduction achieved through the Affordable Care Act, the framework would save an additional $340 billion by 2021, $480 billion by 2023, and at least an additional $1 trillion in the subsequent decade. These savings complement the new patient safety initiative that could lower Medicare costs by another $50 billion over the next decade by providing better care. The President’s framework includes initiatives that will:
    * Bend the long-term cost curve by setting a more ambitious target of holding Medicare cost growth per beneficiary to GDP per capita plus 0.5 percent beginning in 2018, through strengthening the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB).
    * Make Medicaid more flexible, efficient and accountable without resorting to block granting the program, ending our partnership with States or reducing health care coverage for seniors in nursing homes, the most economically vulnerable and people with disabilities. Combined Medicaid savings of at least $100 billion over 10 years.
    * Reduce Medicare’s excessive spending on prescription drugs and lower drug premiums for beneficiaries without shifting costs to seniors or privatizing Medicare. Combined Medicare savings of at least $200 billion over 10 years.
    * Other mandatory spending: Outside of health care, comprehensive deficit reduction must include savings in other mandatory programs, including agricultural subsidies, the federal pension insurance system, and anti-fraud measures, while protecting and strengthening programs that serve low-income families and other vulnerable Americans. The President’s framework includes a target of $360 billion in savings from other mandatory programs by 2023.
    * Tax reform: the President is calling for individual tax reform that closes loopholes and produces a system which is simpler, fairer and not rigged in favor of those who can afford lawyers and accountants to game it. The President supports the Fiscal Commission’s goal of reducing tax expenditures enough to both lower rates and lower the deficit.
    * Social Security: The President does not believe that Social Security is in crisis nor is a driver of our near-term deficit problems. But, in the context of an aging population and a Social Security wage base that is declining as a share of overall earnings, Social Security faces long-term challenges that are better addressed sooner than later to ensure that the program remains for future generations the rock-solid benefit for older Americans that it has been for past generations. That is why the President supports bipartisan efforts to strengthen Social Security for the long haul. These efforts should be guided by several principles, including strengthening the program and not privatizing it, improving retirement security for the vulnerable while protecting people with disabilities and current beneficiaries, and not slashing benefits for future generations."


    See further details at website:
    FACT SHEET: The President's Framework for Shared Prosperity and Shared Fiscal Responsibility | The White House
    Is this the budget that got no votes?

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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ah, so you totally deny that Obama is willing to cut spending....trillions of it?

    wow.

    No I said where are the specifics? That was not a proposal that was a speech

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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No I said where are the specifics? That was not a proposal that was a speech
    the speech included his debt-relief proposal.

    deny it if you like.

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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the speech included his debt-relief proposal.

    deny it if you like.
    Show me specifics of where the cuts will be and how much. If you can not that it was just rhetoric and a factless speech

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...84-503544.html

    "We asked the president to lead," House Speaker John Boehner said in a press conference today. "We asked him to put forward a plan -- not a speech, a real plan -- and he hasn't. We will."
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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the speech included his debt-relief proposal.

    deny it if you like.
    More Obama bull**** speeches... I don't deny that at all.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Show me specifics of where the cuts will be and how much. If you can not that it was just rhetoric and a factless speech

    Boehner: Obama has no debt plan. Republicans do - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
    did you read the article?

    thought not.

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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    did you read the article?

    thought not.
    Yes it is general terms. No specifics as to where and how much. More campaign rhetoric

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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Is this the budget that got no votes?
    No, are you unable to read? I even provided the link for further info.
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