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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you have proof the Bush tax cuts were not temporary with an expiration date, present it. Simply repeating your opinion over and over again proves nothing.
    It is a tax increase. tax cuts expire that means there is a tax increase

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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    fyi

    Conrad: We need a short-term debt deal - Reid J. Epstein - POLITICO.com

    this is a huge development, let me tell you why

    conrad is the budget chair, he's the senate's paul ryan, he's the guy who hasn't been able to deliver a budget in going on three years

    kent conrad of north dakota, who announced he's not gonna run again, a moderate, is the man more than any other who killed the public option

    conrad at budget was the gatekeeper's right hand man in the crafting of obamacare, for example, the gatekeeper being max baucus at finance

    conrad is the champion of what he calls rural care, he thinks medicare scheduling rips off country doctors and kills rural care, and it was on this plank that he opposed the po

    conrad is also the FACE of the gang of 6

    when the white house got kinda giddy over the gang two days ago, it was cuzza statements made by conrad about his group having found the answer

    that development, by the way, was made possible by the return to the gang of doctor tom coburn from oklahoma, who says he went back to conrad's caucus cuzza the heavy enticement of huge health care cuts

    the point is---conrad, gang of 6, is the white house's last best hope of getting a deal

    the white house, all thru these epic debates, has had 3 priorities---raise the ceiling hi enough to get thru the presidential (which would require about 2.4T of credit), protect entitlements from cuts, raise revenues

    the gop has had 2 demands---dollar for dollar (actually, that ratio has risen radically recently, ccb went from 2.4/2.4 to 5.8/2.4, mcconnell-reid went from recommended to mandated cuts, even conrad's gang of 6 has 3.75T which enticed doctor coburn) and no taxes

    conrad's declaration this morning on msnbc's coffee joe indicates the white house has bowed to reality concerning its top priority

    yesterday, the WHIP, dick durbin, the senior from obama's home state, said---gang of 6 would have to be written, scored, passed thru senate, then house, then conference...

    no way in 12 days

    bottom line---if this goes down as it appears it might, the white house will get about 6 months of credit

    and WE CAN JUST CONTINUE THIS DEBATE IN SEPTEMBER

    and october and november

    and we can just re-reach this exact same crisis in december

    give em more credit or the world will come to an end

    6 more months of it

    party on, peeps
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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    President Bush's temporary tax cuts were extended one year past when they were set to expire because of the threat by the GOP to discontinue unemployment to our people that lost their jobs due to the Bush Recession.
    Sorry it was Obama that said they had to be extended

    Obama signs bill to extend Bush-era tax cuts for two more years

    In remarks before signing the bill, Obama called it "a substantial victory for middle-class families across the country." He added: "They're the ones hardest hit by the recession we've endured. They're the ones who need relief right now."

    Obama described the bill as "a package of tax relief that will protect the middle class, that will grow our economy and will create jobs for the American people."

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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) on Thursday voiced support for a six-month hike to the debt ceiling.

    Conrad, a member of the bipartisan Gang of Six that released a $3.7 trillion deficit-reduction package earlier this week, said he's always preferred an initial short-term hike to the $14.3 trillion ceiling to buy more time for lawmakers to work on legislative language for a broader deal.

    "You know, I've always believed that there will be first a shorter-term extension. I would prefer one that's perhaps six months in duration so that you start the process ó you begin with a down payment, then you have time for the committees of Congress to come back with a floor package," Conrad said Thursday on MSNBC. "That's my own view of how this should work, and I think it's more in tune with the realities of the magnitude of the task."

    Even supporters of the group's efforts have said there's not enough time to move the Gang's plan through Congress by an Aug. 2 deadline set by the Treasury Department for raising the ceiling. The plan would lower tax rates and eliminate $1 trillion in tax loopholes, something Conrad acknowledged would take time.

    "The tax code is not going to be reformed in a matter of weeks ó that's going to take months and months of work," Conrad continued.
    Sen. Conrad wants six-month debt-ceiling increase to buy time - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Walk away from what?
    When the Republicans walk away from a bad deal with the one term Marxist president Obama, of course.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The nations debt?
    See above.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The GOP will not throw the country into a depression and upset the entire financial system of the world simply over an ideological cause.
    The GOP will not be at fault. The fault lies with the administration that has increased the size of government by 25% in the last couple of years. The one term president grew it. Let him shrink it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If they do, we are looking at a whole lot of years of Democratically controlled government in our future.
    If they don't there won't be a United States any longer. So it won't actually matter.

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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your fix is what you can't back up! Thanks for admitting it!
    Are you objecting to tax increases? Or are you claiming there aren't going to be any?

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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    are we talking about Obama's plan from last week, or the Gang of Six plan?
    Does it really matter? If the one term Marxist president Obama agrees to it there will likely be tax increases. They may be disguised but you can be very sure they will be there.

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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Obama says he wants something "big" . . .
    Regime change would do it for me.

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    Re: 'Gang of Six' revives hope for big deal in stalled debt-ceiling talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Kind of behind in the times aren't you? We have moved way beyond Obama's proposed 2012 budget. He replaced that proposal with his framework for deficit reduction which is based on the Bowles-Simpson report. That framework was used by the Gang of 6 to develop the bipartisan Congressional proposal, which brings us back to the OP.
    You said there had been no proposals of a tax increase and asked for proof othewise. This entire debate began with BO's budget and the hikes, or revenue increases, it proposed, as I have posted.

    In April, he reiterated his insistence on tax increases.

    The fourth step in our approach is to reduce spending in the tax code. In December, I agreed to extend the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans because it was the only way I could prevent a tax hike on middle-class Americans. But we cannot afford $1 trillion worth of tax cuts for every millionaire and billionaire in our society. And I refuse to renew them again.

    Beyond that, the tax code is also loaded up with spending on things like itemized deductions. And while I agree with the goals of many of these deductions, like homeownership or charitable giving, we cannot ignore the fact that they provide millionaires an average tax break of $75,000 while doing nothing for the typical middle-class family that doesn't itemize.
    Obama's Deficit Speech (Transcript) - Garance Franke-Ruta - Politics - The Atlantic

    And then again in June, though in typically demogogic language:

    So the question is, if everybody else is willing to take on their sacred cows and do tough things in order to achieve the goal of real deficit reduction, then I think it would be hard for the Republicans to stand there and say that the tax break for corporate jets is sufficiently important that weíre not willing to come to the table and get a deal done. Or, weíre so concerned about protecting oil and gas subsidies for oil companies that are making money hand over fist ó thatís the reason weíre not going to come to a deal.

    I donít think thatís a sustainable position. And the truth of the matter is, if you talk to Republicans who are not currently in office, like Alan Simpson who co-chaired my bipartisan commission, he doesnít think thatís a sustainable position. Pete Domenici, Republican, co-chaired something with Alice Rivlin, the Democrat, says thatís ó he doesnít think thatís a sustainable position. You canít reduce the deficit to the levels that it needs to be reduced without having some revenue in the mix.

    And the revenue weíre talking about isnít coming out of the pockets of middle-class families that are struggling. Itís coming out of folks who are doing extraordinarily well and are enjoying the lowest tax rates since before I was born.
    http://politisite.com/2011/06/29/pre...011-full-text/

    The Gang's plan elminates the AMT and claims by doing so it saves $660 billion in middle class tax payments over the next 10 years. Problem is, the middle class never pays the AMT, because each year a "patch" is legisated exempting them from the tax.

    It factors in another $750 billion over 10 years by counting tax credits now set to expire. Trouble there is many will almost certainly be renewed. Same with many of the Bush cuts. Allowing all of them to expire would lead to a middle class tax increase. That's why BO renewed them in December, then vowed never to make that mistake again. Considering he'll either be gone or reelected next time they come up, I believe him.

    Tax increases are the very foundation of his position, of his progressive vision for America. He has been coy recently about exactly where he will apply them, but he has never given up on them.

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