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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The repub congress had nothing to do with balancing the budget. Every budget the republicans in congress proposed had greater deficits than the ones Clinton proposed. The repubs showed their hatred of balanced budgets by destroying the surplus Clinton handed off to them with runaway spending passed by a republican house and senate, and signed by a republican president

    If you want republican policies to guide the nation, you have to vote for a democrat
    Wrong the GOP dragged Clinton kicking and screaming to a balanced budget.

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The repub congress had nothing to do with balancing the budget. Every budget the republicans in congress proposed had greater deficits than the ones Clinton proposed. The repubs showed their hatred of balanced budgets by destroying the surplus Clinton handed off to them with runaway spending passed by a republican house and senate, and signed by a republican president

    If you want republican policies to guide the nation, you have to vote for a democrat
    I don't think you can call it a real surplus when the debt continues to increase during that same period. That's like my bragging that I have 2k in savings when I owe 4k on my credit card and then increase the balance by another 3k.
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    This is a silly argument. That's like saying if politicians really cared about women's suffrage they wouldn't have waited until the 1900s, or if they really cared about equal rights they wouldn't have waited until the 1950s/60s.. Sometimes you need a wake up call to realize there's a massive stinking problem.
    Now that is a ridiculous argument. People who want a balanced budget do not do the exact opposite. Before women won the right to vote, the people who supported womans' suffrage fought for womans' suffarage; they didn't oppose it.
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Wrong the GOP dragged Clinton kicking and screaming to a balanced budget.
    Wrong. Clinton dragged the GOP kicking and screaming to a balanced budget
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I don't think you can call it a real surplus when the debt continues to increase during that same period. That's like my bragging that I have 2k in savings when I owe 4k on my credit card and then increase the balance by another 3k.
    Then you don't know what a budget surplus is. Even with a balanced budget, there are off budget obligations.
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong. Clinton dragged the GOP kicking and screaming to a balanced budget
    Then explain why it did not happen when Clinton raised taxes and had the democrat majority in congress

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Now that is a ridiculous argument. People who want a balanced budget do not do the exact opposite. Before women won the right to vote, the people who supported womans' suffrage fought for womans' suffarage; they didn't oppose it.
    I'd love for you to post links to any statement, declaration, or summary of issues which states in any way, via any means, that the GOP directly opposed responsible spending. Further, I don't think it would matter even if there were (and there isn't). People didn't fight for civil rights or woman's suffrage until the people demanding those things stood up and started fighting for it. This has actually played out in much the same way. The people started screamingly for responsibility and fiscal restraint and the politicians listened....all of them, both sides of the aisle.

    So the GOP makes waves about it, creates multiple proposals...and the dems scream about compromise. And somehow, because neither party took it seriously before, it's now impossible for the GOP to take it seriously? Would you be saying the same thing if roles were reversed and it were the dems putting forth multiple proposals that the GOP flatly ignored?
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Then you don't know what a budget surplus is. Even with a balanced budget, there are off budget obligations.
    I know what a budget surplus is. I'm saying when your debt continues to accrue above and beyond any budgetary surplus there is not a legitimate surplus of funds, hence no "real" surplus existed. It's all smoke and mirrors. It matters for nothing.
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Then explain why it did not happen when Clinton raised taxes and had the democrat majority in congress
    It did happen after Clinton raised taxes.
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I'd love for you to post links to any statement, declaration, or summary of issues which states in any way, via any means, that the GOP directly opposed responsible spending.
    Actions speak louder than words. I agree that the repubs SAY that they're for a balanced budget, but their actions prove they are lying
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    Further, I don't think it would matter even if there were (and there isn't). People didn't fight for civil rights or woman's suffrage until the people demanding those things stood up and started fighting for it. This has actually played out in much the same way. The people started screamingly for responsibility and fiscal restraint and the politicians listened....all of them, both sides of the aisle.
    "People didn't fight for it until people began fighting for it" is a tautology.


    So the GOP makes waves about it, creates multiple proposals...and the dems scream about compromise. And somehow, because neither party took it seriously before, it's now impossible for the GOP to take it seriously? Would you be saying the same thing if roles were reversed and it were the dems putting forth multiple proposals that the GOP flatly ignored?
    Umm, Clinton campaigned on balancing the budget too. The difference between him and the repubs is that he did what he said he would do.
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