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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No it will show the dems and Obama only care about raising the ceiling. The dems and Obama do not want a balanced budget. The proof is they have been lack in their duties for there has been no budget passed since Obama was elected.
    The repubs don't care about balancing the budget. If they cared, they would have balanced the budget when they controlled the House, the senate and the white house. Instead, they wiped out the surplus and racked up record levels of debt.

    The only difference between them is that the dems are honest about not wanting to balance the budget.
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The repubs don't care about balancing the budget. If they cared, they would have balanced the budget when they controlled the House, the senate and the white house. Instead, they wiped out the surplus and racked up record levels of debt.

    The only difference between them is that the dems are honest about not wanting to balance the budget.
    i agree with you on this. the republicans are simply trying to discredit obama at this point.

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yep, the GOP's bill worked as long as you are still happy with them. Now you won't blame them when they compromise with the Dems because they convinced you they gave it their best shot. And to think some thought it was a waste of time!
    I have no problem with compromise if it does not mean caving in to Obama. I want to see Obama compromise instead of making demands as to what is acceptable.

    I also want Obama and the dems to show a budget. They have showed their incompetence and lack of responsibility by having no budget since Obama took the White house

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceman_Spiff View Post
    Since when has American society become so acceptable of mediocrity? Personally, I would prefer politicians actually come up with good ideas rather than just coming up with crap like this and calling it a day.

    The idea of capping and balancing the budget is bad for a multitude of reasons. Here is a short list I made off the top of my head:
    -GDP for any given year can constantly be revised. What happens in a situation when the GDP is assumed to be X for the fiscal year, but it is actually less than what is predicted? How do you account for that overspending in future budgets?
    -Add to that data for GDP lags by a year, so in order to enforce the spending cap Congress will most likely have to use the previous year's GDP. This will artificially lower the cap.
    -There is no measure in this bill to override the balanced budget in times of recessions. When revenue will naturally fall, government spending will likewise have to fall. This has the potential to make the impact of future recessions much worse than they otherwise could be.
    -Adding to my second point it takes away the government's ability to replace any declines in consumer demand during recessions.
    -Sometimes running a deficit can be beneficial to long-term economic growth. The United States has practiced this since the days of Alexander Hamilton.

    It will not pass because it is an ideologically driven bill. Maybe when Republicans figure out that they only control one half of one branch of government and write a bill that is capable of passing in the other chamber of Congress, then we can have a serious discussion about the worthiness of a given bill.

    To clarify one of your earlier posts the passage of this bill does not mean that a rise in debt ceiling is a certainty. Under Title III of the bill the only condition under which the debt ceiling is raised is if both chambers of Congress pass a Balanced Budget Amendment. Anyone who follows politics knows full well there are not 290 votes in the House and there are definitely not 67 votes necessary in the Senate. So, technically, it is possible that a spending cap could be passed without a corresponding rise in the debt ceiling. That is yet another reason why this bill is a joke.

    I think everybody but the freshman Republicans understand that what they want to do will not pass. This is more or less an opportunity for Republicans leaders in the House to give the appearance that they are trying to appease the demands of the Tea Party, but were otherwise unsuccessful.

    So far the only Republicans that have made anything that looks remotely like a Plan B are Senate Republicans with Mitch McConnell's plan. John Boehner and other House Republican leaders have stated that passage of that bill in the House would be almost impossible and that Boehner would need to rely heavily on Democrats to ensure that it would pass.

    Right now, from my perspective, House Republicans have no backup plan if this bill fails in the Senate or the President vetoes it. I think they feel that they can win the PR battle against the President and avoid having the American people blame them for the potential economic disaster that could follow if the debt ceiling is not raised.

    Yes, I have read the bill. Indeed, StillBallin75 is right that the bill lacks details about specific cuts that have to be made. All this bill does is set spending limits for next year's budget, but in no way says what those cuts will be in order to meet the spending limits that the bill calls for.

    Here is a link to the bill so you can examine it yourself:Read The Bill: H.R. 2560 - GovTrack.us

    I will come out and say that I would have no problem completely doing away with the debt ceiling. I find it senseless that Congress has the ability to pass spending bills and yet does not have to ensure that the Executive Branch has the means necessary to pay the bills that both branches agreed to.
    Yet when the GOP did it under Clinton the Democrats claimed it caused a surplus.

    So which is it you can't have it both ways.

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The repubs don't care about balancing the budget. If they cared, they would have balanced the budget when they controlled the House, the senate and the white house. Instead, they wiped out the surplus and racked up record levels of debt.

    The only difference between them is that the dems are honest about not wanting to balance the budget.
    Wrong the GOP congress under Clinton did balance the budget.

    911 and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq stopped the balance. I do not believe there was a surplus.

    If it worked under Clinton why is Obama against it now?

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    The GOP Congress would rather play games and engage in political theater than address the real issues facing this country. Thankfully the vast majority of America sees right through their gamesmanship.
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i agree with you on this. the republicans are simply trying to discredit obama at this point.
    Obama has done that himself. Obama claims to compromise and then demands what will work. If it does not meet Obama standards it will be vetoed. That is not compromise

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Wrong the GOP congress under Clinton did balance the budget.

    911 and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq stopped the balance. I do not believe there was a surplus.

    If it worked under Clinton why is Obama against it now?
    The repub congress had nothing to do with balancing the budget. Every budget the republicans in congress proposed had greater deficits than the ones Clinton proposed. The repubs showed their hatred of balanced budgets by destroying the surplus Clinton handed off to them with runaway spending passed by a republican house and senate, and signed by a republican president

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The repubs don't care about balancing the budget. If they cared, they would have balanced the budget when they controlled the House, the senate and the white house. Instead, they wiped out the surplus and racked up record levels of debt.

    The only difference between them is that the dems are honest about not wanting to balance the budget.
    This is a silly argument. That's like saying if politicians really cared about women's suffrage they wouldn't have waited until the 1900s, or if they really cared about equal rights they wouldn't have waited until the 1950s/60s.. Sometimes you need a wake up call to realize there's a massive stinking problem.
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The GOP Congress would rather play games and engage in political theater than address the real issues facing this country. Thankfully the vast majority of America sees right through their gamesmanship.
    That's warped considering they're the only ones who have put forth completed proposals for this issue.
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