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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It's not as simple as you make it sound. He can certainly veto the balanced-budget part of the bill. The thing is that it has to be approved by a 2/3 supermajority anyway to be sent to the states, which is the same amount you need to override the veto anyway.

    This is all irrelevant though. It's never going to reach his desk in the first place, unless some serious tweaks are made in order to garner more bipartisan support.
    So the democrats will show they do not want a balanced budget but want a blank check.

    That shows much with the up coming election

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceman_Spiff View Post
    But the Balance section is part of this bill. If Levin (I'm assuming Mark) had read the bill carefully, then he would have understood that Title III is the part of H.R. 2560 that makes any raising of the debt ceiling contingent on a Balanced Budget Amendment passing both chambers of Congress and then sent to the states for potential ratification.

    I do not think President Obama will have to worry anyways since there is no way that a Balanced Budget Amendment will ever get through this Congress.
    Except that President Obama has never said that he would veto the Balanced Budget Amendment. If you can link any statement in which he has states he will veto the Balanced Budget Amendment, then by all means do so.

    On the other hand, if you do want to talk about constitutional lightweights look at none other than Congressman Jason Cheffetz, the sponsor of this bill. So far in a single article I have seen Chaffetz claim that President Obama would have to explain why he would not sign a Balanced Budget Amendment and that the Republicans should call his bluff because there is no way that he would veto it.
    Obama officially threatens to veto Republicans' 'cut, cap and balance' bill - TheHill.com


    The administration said the measure, which is not expected to move through the Senate, is unnecessary and unrealistic.

    “Neither setting arbitrary spending levels nor amending the Constitution is necessary to restore fiscal responsibility,” the White House said in its statement. “Increasing the federal debt limit, which is needed to avoid a federal government default on its obligations and a severe blow to the economy, should not be conditioned on taking these actions. Instead of pursuing an empty political statement and unrealistic policy goals, it is necessary to move beyond politics as usual and find bipartisan common ground.”





    The joke here is Obama administration saying move beyond politics. Obama should follow that advice

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    By replacing them with cut, cut, cut political hacks?

    Meh, I just wish we could have a little balance for once.
    Like the balanced budget bill in the House?

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No it will be a constitutional ammendment
    Yes, one that says "Congress can disregard this at will"

    Another provision allows three-fifths of Congress to waive the amendment for expenditures related to a military conflict “that causes an imminent and serious threat to national security.” If you believe the Cold War or the War on Terror qualifies, this could have led to constant exceptions from 1947 to 1991, and from 2001 to perhaps the present.

    The impulse behind the amendment is certainly laudable — to attack the debt problem at its root. But a strictly balanced budget is not important enough to be written into the Constitution. The difference between balance and a small deficit is meaningless in the long run; it certainly doesn’t rise to the level of protecting free speech or ending slavery.
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It's bad because the people who wrote it and sponsored know it won't pass. It's all political theater, and a waste of ****ing time.
    At least they are putting out ideas. And it seems a reasonable one to me. One that should pass. So why won't it pass? What is stopping it from passing?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    No. Raising the debt ceiling, raises the debt ceiling. The people who sponsored this bill are attempting to make raising the debt ceiling contingent upon this bill being passed. Whatever their goals are, it's not going to happen anyway. It's all political showmanship.
    Wait...if this were true then how can you say that it's just "showmanship" or that they "know it won't pass"? Obviously them making a "plan B" shows that this is not true. Or am I again missing something?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    No, this bill mandates spending cuts, spending caps, and a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution but is rather low on details as to how to get there.
    Are you sure? Have you read the bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Sorry, that's just plain untrue. If you want my honest evaluation, read post #9 of this thread.
    So you don't want a debt ceiling at all? Why? Everyone else is subject to a debt ceiling via caps on credit cards, etc etc...why shouldn't the government be subject to the same thing? Otherwise what is to stop them from spending 100 trillion dollars on a toilet seat? (note that was an obvious exaggeration with the toilet seat bit but gets the point across I hope.)
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yes, one that says "Congress can disregard this at will"


    Against the Balanced-Budget Amendment - Rich Lowry - National Review Online
    Yes three fifths of congress another words congress would have to agree.

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama officially threatens to veto Republicans' 'cut, cap and balance' bill - TheHill.com


    The administration said the measure, which is not expected to move through the Senate, is unnecessary and unrealistic.

    “Neither setting arbitrary spending levels nor amending the Constitution is necessary to restore fiscal responsibility,” the White House said in its statement. “Increasing the federal debt limit, which is needed to avoid a federal government default on its obligations and a severe blow to the economy, should not be conditioned on taking these actions. Instead of pursuing an empty political statement and unrealistic policy goals, it is necessary to move beyond politics as usual and find bipartisan common ground.”
    I am already well aware that President Obama has threatened to veto the Cut, Cap, and Balance Act were it able to make its way through both chambers of Congress. What I am looking for is any statement that he plans on vetoing any Balanced Budget Amendment. If such a quote cannot be found, then Hicup's comment that he is not a very intelligent constitutional scholar is rendered pointless and instead makes it look like Hicup does not have a clue what he was talking about.

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill | C-SPAN



    Just seems like a whole bunch of political theater to me. It's not gonna pass into legislation.

    But the bigger picture is that there exists a contingent within Congress that see it as their duty to fundamentally change the nature of fiscal policy in Washington. Just IMHO, the new Tea Party candidates may have over-read their "mandate" from the 2010 midterms, much as the Dems did with the healthcare law in 2009-2010.
    I think it is an attempt by them to save face with their base.
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Look, the government being ineffective and wasting a huge amount of time on something that will go nowhere isn't necessarily a bad thing. The less government does the better IMO.
    Because that's worked so well for us up to this point..................
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceman_Spiff View Post
    I am already well aware that President Obama has threatened to veto the Cut, Cap, and Balance Act were it able to make its way through both chambers of Congress. What I am looking for is any statement that he plans on vetoing any Balanced Budget Amendment. If such a quote cannot be found, then Hicup's comment that he is not a very intelligent constitutional scholar is rendered pointless and instead makes it look like Hicup does not have a clue what he was talking about.
    Vetoing this is the constitutional ammendment. Read the link.

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