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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Wow, how rare. Everyone seems to be able to agree that this is a huge waste of time. We should embrace this rare moment of unity.
    Look, the government being ineffective and wasting a huge amount of time on something that will go nowhere isn't necessarily a bad thing. The less government does the better IMO.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
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    Just seems like a whole bunch of political theater to me. It's not gonna pass into legislation.

    But the bigger picture is that there exists a contingent within Congress that see it as their duty to fundamentally change the nature of fiscal policy in Washington. Just IMHO, the new Tea Party candidates may have over-read their "mandate" from the 2010 midterms, much as the Dems did with the healthcare law in 2009-2010.
    My question is why are democrats and Obama against a balanced budget now when they praised Clinton and the GOP for it in the 90's

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Big ****ing Waste of our ****ing Time.

    That's what this is. It doesn't solve anything, gives political cover for the RINO's to say "See, we tried, now we have to compromise" and wouldn't SOLVE anything even IF Obama were stupid enough to sign it.
    Why is it a waste of time? It shows Obama and the democrats do not want a solution to our debt. A balanced budget would be a good start. It shows democrats do not want to be responsible with our money. It is time to cut thhem off.

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    My question is why are democrats and Obama against a balanced budget now when they praised Clinton and the GOP for it in the 90's
    Having a balanced budget is not the same thing as passing a balanced budget amendment.

    There are times when running a deficit is desirable and/or necessary and being legally barred from doing so can cause problems, especially in our hugely polarized political environment.
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Wow, how rare. Everyone seems to be able to agree that this is a huge waste of time. We should embrace this rare moment of unity.
    Showing Obama and the democrats for the partisan hacks they are is not a waste of time. It is time to get rid of these SPEND,SPEND,SPEND political hacks

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Having a balanced budget is not the same thing as passing a balanced budget amendment.

    There are times when running a deficit is desirable and/or necessary and being legally barred from doing so can cause problems, especially in our hugely polarized political environment.
    States have to operate on a balanced budget it is time for the feds.

    So do you do your personal finances like this?

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    My question is why are democrats and Obama against a balanced budget now when they praised Clinton and the GOP for it in the 90's
    Likewise, I could ask you why deficit-spending and not raising the debt ceiling without spending cuts is a religion to Republicans all of a sudden. It goes both ways.
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Likewise, I could ask you why deficit-spending and not raising the debt ceiling without spending cuts is a religion to Republicans all of a sudden. It goes both ways.
    At some point somebody was going to have to stand up and say, "Wait a minute, we can't keep doing this." I think BOTH parties recognized the situation, but the republicans took advantage of the message quickly and made it their premise. It would have been pretty hard for the democrats to make it theirs given the spending levels over the last 2.5 years while we had dem controlled houses and the presidency. Is it a little shady that the message was/is politically expedient? Absolutely. But everything that happens is spurred or disregarded on the basis of it's ability to boost popularity and insure reelection. I'm not going to focus on the hypocrisy and rather will focus on the fact that somebody finally decided we should do something.

    I'm willing to bet that half of those programs, policies, or departments we all look upon so fondly were funded or created primarily out of political expediency. This idea that anybody is looking out for the "middle class" is all spin. If it helps us that's a bonus, but it isn't a requirement.
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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Likewise, I could ask you why deficit-spending and not raising the debt ceiling without spending cuts is a religion to Republicans all of a sudden. It goes both ways.
    Tell me why Obama and the democrats refuse to have a budget? This is about the Spend spend policy of Obama and the democrats with no responsibility as to how to pay down the out of control debt.

    It is time they pass a budget and live within it.

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    Re: House to Vote on "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    My question is why are democrats and Obama against a balanced budget now when they praised Clinton and the GOP for it in the 90's
    There is a huge difference. In the 1990's, the Republican's Contract for America forged a good consensus, and Clinton signed it. Both parties worked together. People give Clinton the credit for a balanced budget, but we would never have had one without the Republicans pushing for it. I give credit to the GOP. How different it is today. the GOP wastes 2 years pushing it's social agenda, then refuses to compromise a single inch on the budget. They don't realize that they only own the House, and not the Senate or the Presidency. Their "My way or the highway" approach is going to come back and bite them very hard in the ass. This is not the Gingrich House. This is the House of bat**** insane, and they are shooting themselves in both feet at this time.
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