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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    For a second I thought you meant like...the country's borders.
    What's up with that new avatar... that's kind of funny

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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Blaming e-books is premature. I blame places like Amazon where you can get any book you want (generally unlike my experiences at even the bigger stores), generally quicker (because you have to "order" it in store), cheaper (because they don't charge MSRP, and if used, much cheaper), and so on. If it is an older text, you are in luck, cheaper it will generally be. Granted, there are issues with that, but it's damn true.

    There's a used book store around here that I peak my head into every now and then. I picked up a couple of older civics textbooks for high school kids circa 1950s, books regarding the writing style and methodology of Historians, old political memoirs, a few copies of the quarterly "The Historian" or "The History Teacher."
    The only thing these stores have on Amazon is you can walk into a bookstore, pick up a book, read a few pages, and want it asap. With Amazon you have to wait on it to be shipped, which is disappointing. You're also less likely to grab something a little different on Amazon too, just because you can't browse through a book the same online.

    Other than that, you can find a lot of short stories online for free. I started reading Lovecraft that way, and it makes me look like kind of busy at work. Can't get away with reading a book or Kindle at work.

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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Well for one, it would back up your assertion that your comment wasn't ultrapartisan, which is now something that can definitively be proven not only by your failure to mention our former President, but your padding of it all in this particular post. Seriously - "[it] wasn't directed directly at companies but at buying up distressed assets. A round about way of helping companies yes. But it wasn't directly"? In addition to that being totally false (it was directly targetting companies, and it was a direct - not roundabout - way of bailing them out), the fact that you are continuing to make excuses for the former administration should tell anyone reading your post exactly what you're trying to do here.
    Apparently you totally missed the part where I said "But all that aside I didn't approve of that either." Why is that? What? Do you want a two paragraph post of calling Bush out everytime someone blasts Obama? Seriously...start holding Obama accountable for HIS crap and stop trying to shift the blame to Bush. Bush is not the one in charge. He is not the CiC. He is not the one sitting in the White House. He is not the one that passed the bailout crap that we had in 2009. He is not the President of the United States anymore and hasn't been for 2 years plus. Get over Bush.

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    What you need to take away from this thread is that Bush is just as responsible as the very President you are blasting. Your failure to do that, as well as your attempted justification here, is exactly why I labelled your post as ultrapartisan, and correctly so. You did not know that the former President was responsible for the bailouts, and attempted to pin the whole thing on Obama ("You even tried to show me as being partisan because I didn't ask the same question of Bush. But failed when I brought up the simple fact that Bush never tried to bail out any companies." Kal'Stang, Post #55) . If you learn nothing else from this thread, you should learn that your belief here was wrong.
    Last I looked Bush's signature was not on the bailout plan that was passed in 2009. You know...when the current president was in office? You know...the president that ran on the campaign trail that he was not Bush? You know...the President that ran on the slogan of "change"?

    I will ask you again. What is the point in blasting Bush when he is no longer in a position to do anything? Just to make you feel good? Sorry, I'm not here to make you feel good. What Bush did is in the past. As I said before I didn't like it then but there is no reason that I should continue to beat a dead horse.


    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    I don't have to study up on your posting history to recognize an ultrapartisan comment when one is posted. If you don't wish to be called out on it, don't post it. If you are against the bailouts, you should have mentioned the one who was responsible for them first. Your failure to do so when prompted tells me all I need to know about your comment, and why I labelled it so.
    Why should I have mentioned Bush first? Is he the President today? Is he the one that passed the latest bailout plan? No? Then why should I bring up Bush?

    BTW, all you had to do from the very begining is ask me about my standing on Bush's bailout plan from the very begining instead of calling me ultrapartisan and and supposedly joking about me and the other person being birthers and crap. But instead you automatically went on the offensive accusing me of crap that is just not true. Even 1Perry attempted to show you the truth but you basically ignored him saying "nuh uh!".

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    The important thing is that you have now learned from your previous error. In this post, you say "Yes Bush is the one that started the bailout crap". In post number 55, you claimed the opposite: "You even tried to show me as being partisan because I didn't ask the same question of Bush. But failed when I brought up the simple fact that Bush never tried to bail out any companies."
    I have learned something. That you just can't let Bush go and realize that Obama is the one in charge and calling the shots and is the one responsible for the latest bailouts.
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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Look at the bright side... this may be the reemergence of the small book store. If all the nincompoops go out and buy kindles to read books, the small book reseller will have an opportunity to get amounts of good quality hard back and used books. The superstores sort of took the intimacy out of books and those of us who love paper books may once again have an opportunity to go to a local book store and buy books without the superstore hubub.

    Barnes & Noble is probably the last brick and mortar super book reseller. Any other ones left?
    We in Denver are blessed to have one of the world's largest independent bookstores, The Tattered Cover. A Denver institution since 1970.

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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    When I first clicked this thread I thought they were going to stop letting Mexicans come through our southern border. Anyway, I never thought Borders would be going bankrupt until I read this tread. ~11,000 people will be out of work adding more strain to this economy but I can see why. I ordered a book from them 3 weeks ago and they sent it DHL... Which is another company 6 feet in the grave.

    Maybe I'm the only one left who orders psychical books and not a digital .pdf but nothing compares to folding the page, highlighting, and writing in your book... Or reading your book without worrying about the battery running out of power. How about lending your book to a friend after you read it..
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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Apparently you totally missed the part where I said "But all that aside I didn't approve of that either." Why is that? What? Do you want a two paragraph post of calling Bush out everytime someone blasts Obama? Seriously...start holding Obama accountable for HIS crap and stop trying to shift the blame to Bush. Bush is not the one in charge. He is not the CiC. He is not the one sitting in the White House. He is not the one that passed the bailout crap that we had in 2009. He is not the President of the United States anymore and hasn't been for 2 years plus. Get over Bush.
    See what I mean? Not only do you make excuses for the former administration here, but you still have no knowledge not only of who signed the bailouts into law, but who is ultimately responsible for them. TARP was signed into law on October 3, 2008. Who was President at that time? True, Obama may support them, but your failure to acknowledge the former President only goes to further prove my original observation correct. Your post - like it or not - was clearly ultrapartisan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Last I looked Bush's signature was not on the bailout plan that was passed in 2009. You know...when the current president was in office? You know...the president that ran on the campaign trail that he was not Bush? You know...the President that ran on the slogan of "change"?
    Lol, are you talking about the stimulus plan? Okay, what companies were bailed out in the ARRA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I will ask you again. What is the point in blasting Bush when he is no longer in a position to do anything? Just to make you feel good? Sorry, I'm not here to make you feel good. What Bush did is in the past. As I said before I didn't like it then but there is no reason that I should continue to beat a dead horse.


    Why should I have mentioned Bush first? Is he the President today? Is he the one that passed the latest bailout plan? No? Then why should I bring up Bush?

    BTW, all you had to do from the very begining is ask me about my standing on Bush's bailout plan from the very begining instead of calling me ultrapartisan and and supposedly joking about me and the other person being birthers and crap. But instead you automatically went on the offensive accusing me of crap that is just not true. Even 1Perry attempted to show you the truth but you basically ignored him saying "nuh uh!". I have learned something. That you just can't let Bush go and realize that Obama is the one in charge and calling the shots and is the one responsible for the latest bailouts.
    Why would I ask you that? You came into this thread, dropped a comment that was clearly ultrapartisan, and when I labelled it as such, we landed here. Regardless, you asked in post #30 "what's the difference between those and GM", regarding the bankruptcies I listed. Well, I suppose the difference is that Gee Dubya bailed one out, and not the others. Yes, I realize that you were trying to point the finger at Obama here, which tells me that you didn't know that Bush - not Obama - is the one responsible for the bailout program. You've struggle with this all thread. Perhaps it's time to do a little actual reading first : American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    I'm going to ask this for the last time.

    Why should I be blasting Bush when he is not in charge? His time is done. It does not matter that he was the one that started it all anymore. Obama continued it.

    I no longer care about Bush. His time is done. Ended. I understood bashing him for the first year of Obama's Presidency (after all, Bush was an idiot). But we are already past Obamas second year and well into his third. When are you going to start blaming Obama for HIS policies?
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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'm going to ask this for the last time.

    Why should I be blasting Bush when he is not in charge? His time is done. It does not matter that he was the one that started it all anymore. Obama continued it.

    I no longer care about Bush. His time is done. Ended. I understood bashing him for the first year of Obama's Presidency (after all, Bush was an idiot). But we are already past Obamas second year and well into his third. When are you going to start blaming Obama for HIS policies?
    So, no response then? That's fine. If anything, you've learned which Presidential administration is behind the bailouts, the difference between TARP and ARRA (and which President was responsible for which one), and hopefully why your original post was labelled ultrapartisan. This will ensure that we can avoid any future ultrapartisan comments when it comes to debate on this issue, and go forward from there.

    Regarding my view on Obama and his policies, there are a number of them I disagree with in the social arena, but I have no general objection to the Stimulus Plan overall - some specifics, but that's the subject of another thread.

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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    See what I mean? Not only do you make excuses for the former administration here, but you still have no knowledge not only of who signed the bailouts into law, but who is ultimately responsible for them. TARP was signed into law on October 3, 2008. Who was President at that time? True, Obama may support them, but your failure to acknowledge the former President only goes to further prove my original observation correct. Your post - like it or not - was clearly ultrapartisan.
    TARP was an open ended bail out. It was Obama who decided where and who got most of the money. Bush should be tarred and feathered for signing it. I was never going to vote for McCain but his jumping in to help saved it, sealed it. Obama argued that we must do it and he is the one who implemented most of it. He is the one who put the (mods I'm sorry, it's hard to not get in the gutter when I speak of this guy) Geithner in charge. Geithner is nothing more than a Wall Street whore. You won't see Kal'Stang or I defending what Bush did but you simply refuse to put any blame on Obama. That is our problem and why the economy still sucks. You.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    TARP was an open ended bail out. It was Obama who decided where and who got most of the money. Bush should be tarred and feathered for signing it. I was never going to vote for McCain but his jumping in to help saved it, sealed it. Obama argued that we must do it and he is the one who implemented most of it. He is the one who put the (mods I'm sorry, it's hard to not get in the gutter when I speak of this guy) Geithner in charge. Geithner is nothing more than a Wall Street whore. You won't see Kal'Stang or I defending what Bush did but you simply refuse to put any blame on Obama. That is our problem and why the economy still sucks. You.
    Actually I find plenty of fault with Obama, but not on this issue.

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