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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Don't judge all small bookstores on your crappy experiences. They're not all overprice, they don't all have small selections, and they don't all ignore you and never ask you what you're looking for. The internet's great for lots of things, but it can't reproduce the smell of paper and bindings of thousands of books in a small area. It also doesn't have the same soul - the big super stores sure were convenient, but they also had kids screaming, the coffee foamer noise, the nerds in the CD area blasting the latest vomit rock, and people blabing on their cell phones while dragging their pouty kids through the isles talking about their latest bahama get away while looking for the latest trashy romance novel. Give me a break. I'd rather wait for a book than get it right away - a little anticipation and something to look forward to rather than instant gratification. And the small bookstores can usually get books the large retailers cannot because the publishers no longer have stock and the circulation is long gone. 1st editions? Not likely in the super stores. They've got a lot of stuff no doubt if you like a lot of stuff. I don't. Barnes & Nobel is fine to get some newer books or looking for slightly older books in the discount pile. It's got little to no soul to it, little to no atmosphere. There's a place for them - don't get me wrong, but until you've experienced a quaint old bookstore that's got character, lots of quiet and an old leather recliner, there's absolutely no comparison.
    I'll wager dollars to doughnuts that those places are in the minority of small book stores, and rest assured those few are struggling when compared to the big boys. The competition is way too fierce for them to thrive, and quaint, cozy, and soulful doesn't pay the bills. The most that they could possibly do is eke out a small existence, and unless you and others like yourself are planning on donating a significant portion of your paycheck on a monthly basis into keeping them afloat, you can count on teh internetZ trashing them equally as bad as the superstores. There is a reason that most of them have disappeared, and it's for the exact reasons I outlined above. The vast majority of Americans feel the same way, otherwise those small book stores would be thriving.

    Since you seem to enjoy the small stores, I hope that there is always a market around for you and others who see it the same way. But I wouldn't count on those small stores making a resurgence.
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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    I'm sorry to hear this too. I love paper books and I love browsing for them. I understand the appeal of eBooks, but they cannot replace the pleasure of hunting through the shelves, eyes getting hung up on catchy titles or ornate printing on the spine. The thrill of finding what you were looking for, or something better.

    I was in a superstore of another nature today. Powell's Books in Portland's Pearl District. It covers an entire block, doorways, stairs and elevators connect the several original buildings which comprise it. It has the feel of a great labyrinth with treasures around every corner. Used and new books populate the shelves and one is welcome to handle and peruse to one's heart content. I haven't had the opportunity, but it's my goal to get into the rare book room.

    Though Border's came nowhere near the experience of Powell's, it was closer and the convenience of just going to find and buy a book versus waiting for it in the mail, will be missed.

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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Blame E-books. The Authors Guild, et al, saw this coming a decade ago, when otherwise unpublishable writers began flinging their crap on line to sell via the internet. To compete, successful writers had to offer their own works as E-books. The moment a cheap, portable, convenient E-book reader hit the market, the fate of nearly all bookstores was sealed. As a writer myself, it breaks my heart to say it but the day isn't far away when paper books will be relegated to musems and trash heaps. It's the end of an era.
    Blaming e-books is premature. I blame places like Amazon where you can get any book you want (generally unlike my experiences at even the bigger stores), generally quicker (because you have to "order" it in store), cheaper (because they don't charge MSRP, and if used, much cheaper), and so on. If it is an older text, you are in luck, cheaper it will generally be. Granted, there are issues with that, but it's damn true.

    There's a used book store around here that I peak my head into every now and then. I picked up a couple of older civics textbooks for high school kids circa 1950s, books regarding the writing style and methodology of Historians, old political memoirs, a few copies of the quarterly "The Historian" or "The History Teacher."
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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    I'll wager dollars to doughnuts that those places are in the minority of small book stores, and rest assured those few are struggling when compared to the big boys. The competition is way too fierce for them to thrive, and quaint, cozy, and soulful doesn't pay the bills. The most that they could possibly do is eke out a small existence, and unless you and others like yourself are planning on donating a significant portion of your paycheck on a monthly basis into keeping them afloat, you can count on teh internetZ trashing them equally as bad as the superstores. There is a reason that most of them have disappeared, and it's for the exact reasons I outlined above. The vast majority of Americans feel the same way, otherwise those small book stores would be thriving.

    Since you seem to enjoy the small stores, I hope that there is always a market around for you and others who see it the same way. But I wouldn't count on those small stores making a resurgence.
    They did struggle and the one place I loved died a slow death and it's now a Starbucks. I miss that place.
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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Blame E-books. The Authors Guild, et al, saw this coming a decade ago, when otherwise unpublishable writers began flinging their crap on line to sell via the internet. To compete, successful writers had to offer their own works as E-books. The moment a cheap, portable, convenient E-book reader hit the market, the fate of nearly all bookstores was sealed. As a writer myself, it breaks my heart to say it but the day isn't far away when paper books will be relegated to musems and trash heaps. It's the end of an era.
    I just cannot get down with e-books. I want the actual book in my hand! I either order from Amazon or trade sites. I also visit the library quite a bit.
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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Blame E-books. The Authors Guild, et al, saw this coming a decade ago, when otherwise unpublishable writers began flinging their crap on line to sell via the internet. To compete, successful writers had to offer their own works as E-books. The moment a cheap, portable, convenient E-book reader hit the market, the fate of nearly all bookstores was sealed. As a writer myself, it breaks my heart to say it but the day isn't far away when paper books will be relegated to musems and trash heaps. It's the end of an era.
    You can't completely blame e-books. They certainly haven't helped matters, but the decline of brick and mortar bookstores started with Amazon and other online booksellers. Ebooks only sped the process up.
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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

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    Borders to Shut Down - WSJ.com

    As an avid reader and book buyer, this makes me most sad.
    Where's Obama with a bailout on this? If he's so commited to "saving jobs" and "helping the working people" surely he will at least try to bail out these people?
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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Where's Obama with a bailout on this? If he's so commited to "saving jobs" and "helping the working people" surely he will at least try to bail out these people?
    Doesn't care.... he only reads from teleprompters.

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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Where's Obama with a bailout on this? If he's so commited to "saving jobs" and "helping the working people" surely he will at least try to bail out these people?
    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    Doesn't care.... he only reads from teleprompters.
    If you two are going to engage in ultrapartisan silliness on a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama, at you should at least include those stupid "it's because he's Kenyan" and "it's part of his Muslim conspiracy" comments so that the rest of us can enjoy a good laugh.

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    Re: Borders to Shut Down

    Someone needs to download a sense of humor.

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