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    I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read more:

    A Bronx man was viciously assaulted and robbed on a subway train Sunday by four men who he says taunted him for being white.

    "People started saying stupid little comments - cracker this, white boy this, f----t this," Fordell said. "I told them the only reason they were saying this is there was four of them and one of me."

    The case is being investigated by detectives, but has not been assigned to the NYPD hate crimes task force because cops are unsure if the suspects were motivated by bias, sources said.

    "They have to look at whether that was the motivation before the robbery," a police source said.



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    I don't like "Hate crime" legislation as a general rule. A crime is a crime is a crime. However, here is a case that common sense says "Yeah, race mattered here". Sad really this requires "investigation"
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    It wouldn't be the first hate crime against a white successfully prosecuted. I support (US, not Euro-free-speech-restrictions) hate crime legislation; hate crime is terrorism and requires more severe action. If the accused are members of a white-hate group or white-hate literature is discovered in their background (that's the investigation required, Vic), nail the damn terrorists.

    "Yeah, race matered here" is not enough. It must be the clear (physical evidenced) motivation of the crime. Calling someone the n-word and then punching them does not qualify as a hate crime. It's amazing how many people don't understand US hate crime legislation; it's short and clear.
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    He's dumb for talking back to them. That's all I really have to add to this race bait.

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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It wouldn't be the first hate crime against a white successfully prosecuted. I support (US, not Euro-free-speech-restrictions) hate crime legislation; hate crime is terrorism and requires more severe action. If the accused are members of a white-hate group or white-hate literature is discovered in their background (that's the investigation required, Vic), nail the damn terrorists.
    Terrorism, really? What, exactly, makes someone a terrorist if they punch a black guy and call him a nigger rather than if they just punch him?
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Meh I got beaten up once in a race riot in Brooklyn.

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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Meh I got beaten up once in a race riot in Brooklyn.

    Me and about 10 of my friends took a shortcut up broadway to the GWB cause the Henry hudson was jammed..... well it was jammed because we ended up driving through the Washington heights riots...

    we were in early 70's jeeps with no tops and windshields folded down...
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    It's bad - generally speaking anytime someone is harassed adn beaten is bad. It is not *more bad* because he was white and *maybe* it was racially charged - because that belief (which is what hate crime legislation does) makes it worse to be beaten (or not as bad) depending on WHY the attack happened.

    If someone attacked me and I don't know the motive - that hsould be no different than if they called me a certain name. Anyone - regardless of motive - should receive equal punishment.

    Somewhere out there is someone who was attacked as well - in the same way - but the assailants just didn't psit out a few hateful slurs and *therefor* those assailants got off a little lighter.

    Should they? Shouldn't everyone be punished equally for the ACTION of their crime - not their THOUGHT process?
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Terrorism, really? What, exactly, makes someone a terrorist if they punch a black guy and call him a nigger rather than if they just punch him?
    US hate crime legislation is based in motivation. In the case of US hate crime, there must be clear evidence that the accused is attempting to terrorize a group of people. The crime is not entirely personal, but part of an organized hate machine intent on bringing fear to a group. The prosecuter must prove that the accused is part of such an organization, attends such things or has such literature for a hate crime conviction. Context goes beyond the criminal act itself.

    You are another person who didn't understand US hate crime legislation. Laugh away, smartie.

    It's no different than 1st and 2nd degree murder. And a US hate crime conviction is tantamount to terrorism.
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Read the story, it was a robbery, he then chased the gang and got a beatdown...
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I don't like "Hate crime" legislation as a general rule. A crime is a crime is a crime. However, here is a case that common sense says "Yeah, race mattered here". Sad really this requires "investigation"
    common sense shoulda said "get the **** outta there."
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