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then Obama should be charged with hate crimes for calling the irish drunks. :roll:


And this argument is asinine. If the colors were reversed, this libertarian would say the same thing. please.

Hate crimes require an underlying crime in order to be a hate crime. Since calling people names is not a crime, calling Irish "drunks" is not a hate crime.

If the races were reversed, the law would still consider it a hate crime.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Hate crimes require an underlying crime in order to be a hate crime. Since calling people names is not a crime, calling Irish "drunks" is not a hate crime.

If the races were reversed, the law would still consider it a hate crime.




It's already a crime, why do you need additional laws?
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

For the same reason we have laws that single out terrorism, or do you oppose those too?



Terrorism has specific political goals, it is a war crime. Murdering your boyfriend in a jealous rage and calling him a jew while you do it is not in need of a special law for a "hate crime"...
 
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Terrorism has specific political goals, it is a war crime. Murdering your boyfriend in a jealous rage and calling him a jew while you do it is not in need of a special law for a "hate crime"...


Hate cries have specific political goals, they are crime. Murdering your boyfriend in a jealous rage and calling him a jew while you do it requires a special law for a "hate crime".
 
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Hate cries have specific political goals, they are crime. Murdering your boyfriend in a jealous rage and calling him a jew while you do it requires a special law for a "hate crime".




really? what political goals is that, does your boyfriend that you just killed while screaming jew, mean that the dood really hates jews?


really? you need to punish the guy extra special for calling his boyfriend a jew?
 
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really? what political goals is that, does your boyfriend that you just killed while screaming jew, mean that the dood really hates jews?


really? you need to punish the guy extra special for calling his boyfriend a jew?

The political goals is to reduce bigotry. And under the hate crimes law, no one is punished if you call your boyfriend a name
 
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The political goals is to reduce bigotry. And under the hate crimes law, no one is punished for calling someone a name




You just called it a hate crime, dood murders his boyfriend calling him a jew...

did you not just say this:

Murdering your boyfriend in a jealous rage and calling him a jew while you do it requires a special law for a "hate crime".


That was you wasn't it, like a post a go, no?
 
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You just called it a hate crime, dood murders his boyfriend calling him a jew...

did you not just say this:




That was you wasn't it, like a post a go, no?

Yes, I did. There was nothing inaccurate in anything I said in those quotes

Maybe you didn't notice it, but there's a difference between calling someone a name, and calling someone a name while killing them
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Yes, I did. There was nothing inaccurate in anything I said in those quotes

Maybe you didn't notice it, but there's a difference between calling someone a name, and calling someone a name while killing them




So to you, this is a hate crime, Ok then, even if the murdere himself is jewish?
 
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really? what political goals is that, does your boyfriend that you just killed while screaming jew, mean that the dood really hates jews?

really? you need to punish the guy extra special for calling his boyfriend a jew?

I think you're being purposefully obtuse here. If a person is killed in a jealous rage, then by definition cannot be a hate crime. They were killed because of jealousy, not because they're Jewish. If the act was committed solely because the person was Jewish, then you have a hate crime.
 
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Hate crime.




/facepalm




What if the murder victim was calling the killer a jew the whole time, should the killer get off easier?
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

I think you're being purposefully obtuse here. If a person is killed in a jealous rage, then by definition cannot be a hate crime. They were killed because of jealousy, not because they're Jewish. If the act was committed solely because the person was Jewish, then you have a hate crime.

If there is bias against a "protected class" involved in the commission of the crime, it is a hate crime, and the perp is liable for additional penalties. Hate crime laws punish crimes if they were motivated by bias. The motivation can be proven by citing the perps verbal expressions of bias
 
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/facepalm




What if the murder victim was calling the killer a jew the whole time, should the killer get off easier?

Hate crime laws do not take into account the motives, intent, etc of the victim, as far as I know.
 
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If there is bias against a "protected class" involved in the commission of the crime, it is a hate crime, and the perp is liable for additional penalties. Hate crime laws punish crimes if they were motivated by bias. The motivation can be proven by citing the perps verbal expressions of bias

... the motivation is already been established. Jealousy. Simply called out a negative name doesn't make the crime worse.

If there are not concrete reason for the crime, and all we have to go on is the perps verbal expression of bias, you can assume it was because of the person belonged to the group that perp is bias against was the sole reason. Thus it can be deemed a hate crime.
 
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... the motivation is already been established. Jealousy. Simply called out a negative name doesn't make the crime worse.

If there are not concrete reason for the crime, and all we have to go on is the perps verbal expression of bias, you can assume it was because of the person belonged to the group that perp is bias against was the sole reason.

*IF* the motive is jealousy, then it's not a hate crime.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

*IF* the motive is jealousy, then it's not a hate crime.

Wasn't that in the example? Jealous rage?
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Wasn't that in the example? Jealous rage?

It was claimed. But there was no evidence presented that it was a jealous rage.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

It was claimed. But there was no evidence presented that it was a jealous rage.

OMFG....

/facepalm.....
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

There was evidence? Where?
Only you would require evidence in a hypothetical scenario created with the statement of fact that the incident's motive was a jealous rage.

You are pathetically grasping at straws now.
 
Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

Only you would require evidence in a hypothetical scenario created with the statement of fact that the incident's motive was a jealous rage.

You are pathetically grasping at straws now.

Only you would think that a court of law would conclude that a murder was motivated by jealousy when there is no evidence of that claim. Any statement about another persons' mental state is not a "statement of fact" because no one can read another persons' mind.

You have no facts. Just claims. From a murderer trying to avoid being convicted of a hate crime. And you take them at their word.
 
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