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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    err...none of my co-workers are "shop keepers".

    they both have handguns. more than one. just average, Middle-class guys.

    I will ask one tomorow, how long it took him to get his permit.

    but I'll bet you that unless you are insane and a real danger to yourself or others, its not that difficult to get a handgun permit in NYC.



    Why did you avoid my second question?


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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Im sorry Tim, I was just struggling to find a anybody who was claiming that there's no such thing as a black racist...

    So thanks for that anyway, was most enlightening.
    Oh,


    Well I only read the first page, and well you know how that goes..

    My bad, continue..

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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Where the crimes your friends were convicted of include felonies?
    why did you fail to read my post?

    I said ARRESTED...not convicted.

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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why did you fail to read my post?

    I said ARRESTED...not convicted.


    Actually you said:


    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, it is near-impossible for certain types of individuals to get a handgun permit in NYC.

    but like I said, my very average co-workers have them. Hell, one of them even has quite a long arrest record.


    having a "record" means conviction.
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Sounds like stupidity was the biggest factor here.
    Dunno about that. Flip the scenario - a black guy gets robbed by 4 white guys, baited, he chased them into a white neighborhood, and got beaten again. Yes, still stupid - but the reaction and outcry would be decidedly different.
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Dunno about that. Flip the scenario - a black guy gets robbed by 4 white guys, baited, he chased them into a white neighborhood, and got beaten again. Yes, still stupid - but the reaction and outcry would be decidedly different.
    I don't think so, I think most people respond to such behavior similarly - although one time on this board I said if a black man taunted racists and got beaten, it was partially his fault and someone (I can't remember who) told me that I was an apologist or something similar. So maybe you're right, just not for me.

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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no its not. did you even look this up or just "shoot from the hip"?
    I know nothing about New York, but I do know that my home city of Chicago was a "gun-free" city when it was also the murder capital of the country numerous times in my life. How was that possible when hand guns were totally banned in Chciago from 1982 until 2010?

    And despite the fact that the gun ban was enacted in 1982, murder rates increased until the mid 1990's, when they started dropping (but the drops were nationwide, and chicago's rate of decline was below average). Comparatively, Chicago still had one of the highets murder rates in the country for the entire duration of the gun ban.

    How do you explain that?

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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I know nothing about New York, but I do know that my home city of Chicago was a "gun-free" city when it was also the murder capital of the country numerous times in my life. How was that possible when hand guns were totally banned in Chciago from 1982 until 2010?

    And despite the fact that the gun ban was enacted in 1982, murder rates increased until the mid 1990's, when they started dropping (but the drops were nationwide, and chicago's rate of decline was below average). Comparatively, Chicago still had one of the highets murder rates in the country for the entire duration of the gun ban.

    How do you explain that?
    Criminals don't care about gun laws?
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    [QUOTE=Aunt Spiker;1059661401]It's bad - generally speaking anytime someone is harassed adn beaten is bad. It is not *more bad* because he was white and *maybe* it was racially charged - because that belief (which is what hate crime legislation does) makes it worse to be beaten (or not as bad) depending on WHY the attack happened.

    If someone attacked me and I don't know the motive - that hsould be no different than if they called me a certain name. Anyone - regardless of motive - should receive equal punishment.

    Somewhere out there is someone who was attacked as well - in the same way - but the assailants just didn't psit out a few hateful slurs and *therefor* those assailants got off a little lighter.

    Should they? Shouldn't everyone be punished equally for the ACTION of their crime - not their THOUGHT process?[/QUOTE]

    Exactly. Hate crime legislation is nothing more than trying to prove what someone was thinking. If a white guy beats up a black man for messing with his wife, is it any more of a crime than had they both been white? What if they "investigated" and found out the guy was a racist? Will an attorney try to prove that the guy was more motivated by race than by the fact the guy screwed his wife?
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Exactly. Hate crime legislation is nothing more than trying to prove what someone was thinking.
    That's what you have to do for many crimes which is why there is a difference between first degree and second degree murder.

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