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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I think you're being purposefully obtuse here. If a person is killed in a jealous rage, then by definition cannot be a hate crime. They were killed because of jealousy, not because they're Jewish. If the act was committed solely because the person was Jewish, then you have a hate crime.
    If there is bias against a "protected class" involved in the commission of the crime, it is a hate crime, and the perp is liable for additional penalties. Hate crime laws punish crimes if they were motivated by bias. The motivation can be proven by citing the perps verbal expressions of bias
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
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    What if the murder victim was calling the killer a jew the whole time, should the killer get off easier?
    Hate crime laws do not take into account the motives, intent, etc of the victim, as far as I know.
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If there is bias against a "protected class" involved in the commission of the crime, it is a hate crime, and the perp is liable for additional penalties. Hate crime laws punish crimes if they were motivated by bias. The motivation can be proven by citing the perps verbal expressions of bias
    ... the motivation is already been established. Jealousy. Simply called out a negative name doesn't make the crime worse.

    If there are not concrete reason for the crime, and all we have to go on is the perps verbal expression of bias, you can assume it was because of the person belonged to the group that perp is bias against was the sole reason. Thus it can be deemed a hate crime.
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    ... the motivation is already been established. Jealousy. Simply called out a negative name doesn't make the crime worse.

    If there are not concrete reason for the crime, and all we have to go on is the perps verbal expression of bias, you can assume it was because of the person belonged to the group that perp is bias against was the sole reason.
    *IF* the motive is jealousy, then it's not a hate crime.
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    *IF* the motive is jealousy, then it's not a hate crime.
    Wasn't that in the example? Jealous rage?
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Wasn't that in the example? Jealous rage?
    It was claimed. But there was no evidence presented that it was a jealous rage.
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It was claimed. But there was no evidence presented that it was a jealous rage.
    OMFG....

    /facepalm.....
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    OMFG....

    /facepalm.....
    There was evidence? Where?
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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There was evidence? Where?
    Only you would require evidence in a hypothetical scenario created with the statement of fact that the incident's motive was a jealous rage.

    You are pathetically grasping at straws now.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: I was beaten, taunted for being white, Bronx man says after subway attack Read m

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Only you would require evidence in a hypothetical scenario created with the statement of fact that the incident's motive was a jealous rage.

    You are pathetically grasping at straws now.
    Only you would think that a court of law would conclude that a murder was motivated by jealousy when there is no evidence of that claim. Any statement about another persons' mental state is not a "statement of fact" because no one can read another persons' mind.

    You have no facts. Just claims. From a murderer trying to avoid being convicted of a hate crime. And you take them at their word.
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