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    Re: Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    He might as well have, it has the same implications. Actually if he said that, I would have a little bit more respect for him, because at least he is then being open about his prejudices. Right now, he's hiding behind the "people"
    According to this article, Herman Cain Says U.S. Communities 'Have the Right' to Ban Mosques - FoxNews.com, his reasoning is that Islam is not just a religion. It is a religion with built in Shariah law.

    I may not agree with him here, but I fail to see how it would violate the first amendment. The right to free speech and assembly does not also mean you can erect a building where you please. Communities do control zoning. They should be able to change the zoning of the particular site.

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    Re: Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There is nothing hypothetical about many of these hypocrites.



    No community has the right to block the construction of any religious building, nor should they be allowed to. Part of the free exercise of religion is attending a religious service in a religious building.
    then you should have just said that, instead of attempting to derail the thread.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

    i am now wondering where all his supporters from the board are. crickets.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by The Rev Kros View Post
    According to this article, Herman Cain Says U.S. Communities 'Have the Right' to Ban Mosques - FoxNews.com, his reasoning is that Islam is not just a religion. It is a religion with built in Shariah law.

    I may not agree with him here, but I fail to see how it would violate the first amendment. The right to free speech and assembly does not also mean you can erect a building where you please. Communities do control zoning. They should be able to change the zoning of the particular site.
    There is a difference between accommodating the requirements of local zoning ordinances and outright banning mosques from communities. The former is constitutional. The latter is a gross infringement of the First Amendment. Mr. Cain takes the latter approach and invents a reason why Islam should be treated differently. It is extremely unlikely that the Supreme Court would accept Mr. Cain's interpretation to deny Islam/Muslims First Amendment protections.

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    Re: Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

    I've got no issue with a community protesting against the placement of a business, place of worship, etc. I also have no issue, if the land attempting to be used requires governmental approval, for those people lobbying the local government to deny a group the ability to build there if that's within the boundries of the law relating to the purchase of that land

    What I do have issue with however is suggesting people have a right to attempt to legally force a group from building a place of worship when by all accounts the building of such is absolutely within the realm of legality. That's simply and completley wrong.

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    Re: Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

    So is it cool to ban a church too?

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    Re: Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

    Ban Herman Cain!










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    Re: Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No community has the right to block the construction of any religious building, nor should they be allowed to. Part of the free exercise of religion is attending a religious service in a religious building.
    Wait a minute....

    Any community has the right to block any construction what so ever, if it does not live up to safety standards, local planning laws and so on. It does not matter if it is a freaking church or mosque, if the local planning laws state no building must be higher than 2 stories, then throwing up a 4 story church tower or minaret is illegal period and hence the community can stop that part of the construction. If the religious institution buys a piece of land that is zoned as industrial, then it is not allowed to build its building there unless it is some sort of industrial building.... that is the law.

    Now I can agree on the idea that a community can not ban a building just because it is a church or mosque or whatever religious building.. that is wrong and illegal.

    But to have an rule that states "No community has the right to block the construction of any religious building" is idiotic and frankly spits in the face of the rule of law and puts religion ABOVE the law, which is certainly not what you meant.... right?
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    Re: Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by The Rev Kros View Post
    According to this article, Herman Cain Says U.S. Communities 'Have the Right' to Ban Mosques - FoxNews.com, his reasoning is that Islam is not just a religion. It is a religion with built in Shariah law.

    I may not agree with him here, but I fail to see how it would violate the first amendment. The right to free speech and assembly does not also mean you can erect a building where you please. Communities do control zoning. They should be able to change the zoning of the particular site.
    Look at you... messing up our nice "bash on Cain" thread with your "FACTS". What a buzz kill man. :-)

    Regarding the Shariah law thing... he's pandering to the base and the fear that some Christians have regarding Muslims "taking over". I bet he doesn't have any problem with Mosaic Law being brought into the courts. (ex. 10 commandments in court rooms).

    Regarding zoning, I don't think anyone here was making the argument that a community can't stop the building of a building that doesn't meet code. I think they're saying that blocking the building of it because it's of a particular faith IS against the 1st amendment.

    Having said that, people have the right to protest it if they want, but the government can't stop them just for religious reasons.

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    Re: Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I'm going to be honest here, you're being a hack.

    Just because a group has its own flaws doesn't mean it can't point out other flaws.
    Pointing out hypocrisy makes one a hack? If you saw a bunch of KKK terrorist commenting on how wrong the racism of the nazis are, wouldn't you point out their hypocrisy? Or would pointing out their hypocrisy make you partisan hack?

    What you're selfishly doing for political gain would hold up the progress of humanity. As it stands, I am completely against what Cain said on banning mosques,
    I have nothing to gain from this. I am not going to vote for Cain. But lets be real here. Most of these people booing Cain have the same attitude he has but regarding the 2nd amendment.They have no room to bitch that Cain wants to restrict the building of mosques.

    but at the same time, I'm completely for maintaining 2nd amendment rights.
    Ergo, my position proves your statement is wrong (because you obviously mean every liberal; all you do is deal in absolutes).
    So you are against permits,registrations, waiting periods,severe taxes on firearms and ammo, the ban on low price fire arms, ammo and fire arm restrictions,magazine restrictions, bullet micro-stamping and anything else that infringes on the 2nd amendment? If you are against those things then I guess I was wrong about you and I apologize for lumping you in with all those anti-2nd amendment loons who want to do the same thing to the 2nd amendment that Cain wants to do to the first amendment.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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