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More than 200 D.C. teachers fired


An irrelevancy *and* a straw man!!!!

Who is arguing that union busting is OK when a Dem does it? Or is it that you don't want to address the way the middle class has suffered because of union busting?
 
Same as any other. Public workers are as concerned with working condition, wages, and compensation as the private sector. No matter who pays, the job is still ebing done, and all employees have the right to seek just compensation. If we don't like how well our leaders negotiate, find new leaders.


in a private sector negotiation the bargaining is at least honest

in public sector-often those "bargaining" with the unions have been put into office by those unions
 
in a private sector negotiation the bargaining is at least honest

in public sector-often those "bargaining" with the unions have been put into office by those unions

You do knwo business puts in as many or more. I'm sorry, but that argument really doesn't hold water.
 
You do knwo business puts in as many or more. I'm sorry, but that argument really doesn't hold water.

how can you dispute that? in union heavy areas the politicians are often beholden to the unions
 
how can you dispute that? in union heavy areas the politicians are often beholden to the unions

And business. And anyone who gives them money. Shouldn't you be angery at our leaders? Isn't this attack of unions not only misplaced, but inconsistent without anger over all those who might have bought our leaders.
 
In NYS and NYC, we have politicians that are cutting union jobs, including teachers. Your claim is fiction.

wow one area proves everything I said wrong? LOL, in Cincinnati, the City Council has been mainly dem for most of the last 30 years and the teachers union that runs the Cincinnati Public Schools is a major donor to almost all the last half dozen mayors and most of those in the majority. city council ultimately bargains with the unions concerning the Cincinnati Public Schools

How long has NYC being cutting union jobs?
 
And business. And anyone who gives them money. Shouldn't you be angery at our leaders? Isn't this attack of unions not only misplaced, but inconsistent without anger over all those who might have bought our leaders.



the issue was what good does a public union create given that its members are under the full protection of all of the relevant laws. If the public has decided that a teacher should make say 45K a year and the union demands 50K is not the Union acting contrary to the wishes of the public?
 
wow one area proves everything I said wrong? LOL, in Cincinnati, the City Council has been mainly dem for most of the last 30 years and the teachers union that runs the Cincinnati Public Schools is a major donor to almost all the last half dozen mayors and most of those in the majority. city council ultimately bargains with the unions concerning the Cincinnati Public Schools

How long has NYC being cutting union jobs?

Gee, cutting union jobs doesn't show that politicians aren't beholden to unions?

I think the word "beholden" means something other than what you think it means

And I'm not surprised to see you thinking that I said anything about dems or repubs. The heavily partisan think everything is about party.
 
wow one area proves everything I said wrong? LOL, in Cincinnati, the City Council has been mainly dem for most of the last 30 years and the teachers union that runs the Cincinnati Public Schools is a major donor to almost all the last half dozen mayors and most of those in the majority. city council ultimately bargains with the unions concerning the Cincinnati Public Schools

How long has NYC being cutting union jobs?
Nah, not one. It's the same in Illinois, a Democratic state and Chicago specifically, a Democratic city. Try again.
 
the issue was what good does a public union create given that its members are under the full protection of all of the relevant laws. If the public has decided that a teacher should make say 45K a year and the union demands 50K is not the Union acting contrary to the wishes of the public?
Who is this "public" you speak of? Are they individuals who have the qualifications to determine salary? Moreover, I and others have already listed numerous "good" things unions do for "the public", you just ignored them.
 
the issue was what good does a public union create given that its members are under the full protection of all of the relevant laws. If the public has decided that a teacher should make say 45K a year and the union demands 50K is not the Union acting contrary to the wishes of the public?

Wages are not up for a vote. Unions negotiate. Leaders negotiate. No one is held under a gun and forced to agree to anything. And frankly, what does the public know abouot any of these details? They elected eladers to knwo this stuff.
 
in a private sector negotiation the bargaining is at least honest

in public sector-often those "bargaining" with the unions have been put into office by those unions

WOW!!! I never knew that.

Could you link to that evidence ?

I was in a teachers union for over 33 years and we never once had the luxury of bargaining with people we put in office.

This is something new and I would like to see how it works with actual real life examples.

How about it?
 
Who is arguing that union busting is OK when a Dem does it?

few care what people argue

what matters is---it's going DOWN, and it's just starting

cuz if a guy like MOONBEAM BROWN starts a-slashin...

if the legislative assembly IN BOSTON shreds collective bargaining...

if the city managers of DETROIT pink slip EVERY teacher...

as inevitable as phsyics, from athens to sacto---nothing you can do to stop it
 
wow one area proves everything I said wrong? LOL, in Cincinnati, the City Council has been mainly dem for most of the last 30 years and the teachers union that runs the Cincinnati Public Schools is a major donor to almost all the last half dozen mayors and most of those in the majority. city council ultimately bargains with the unions concerning the Cincinnati Public Schools

How long has NYC being cutting union jobs?

links to verifiable evidence are needed to back up your opinion.
 
Gee, cutting union jobs doesn't show that politicians aren't beholden to unions?

I think the word "beholden" means something other than what you think it means

And I'm not surprised to see you thinking that I said anything about dems or repubs. The heavily partisan think everything is about party.

sometimes other factors overcome union support. are you claiming you aren't "partisan"?
 
Or maybe he thinks the "due process" idea is also useful in other areas, like when it comes to an employee possibly being fired for spurious reasons so to prevent that maybe somebody should stick up for that employee just in case.

Dude, for real, how far up inside your ass do you reach to pull out **** like this? You have no due process rights with regards to employment!!! It's a right to work state, meaning you have a right to work for anyone, and anyone has a right to fire you. YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO A JOB!! LOL Damn dude, you aren't this dense. I know you aren't.

Due process exists in our LEGAL system, not in our employment system!!! Your boss can walk in (unless you are part of a union, which is the problem) to your office tomorrow and tell you you are fired and not give a reason. Or give a stupid reason (hair too short, legs too long, ass too big) as long as it's not discriminating on race, gender, etc, you're outta there. Nothing you can do but cry to the moon. You do NOT have a right to a job, and when you FINALLY realize this, I would assume your replies with regards to employment would show a little more education on the subject.

If you want to pay someone to try to get you your job back that's on you, but damn the person who has someone paid for by the taxpayer to fight for a non-existent right to a job. That's downright criminal behavior.
 
I would like to see evidence of these charges against teacher unions. So far all we get is pompous pontifications
 
links to verifiable evidence are needed to back up your opinion.

There is a great thing called Google. I was a staff member for a GOP councilman years ago. I am speaking from first hand knowledge.
 
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