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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wow one area proves everything I said wrong? LOL, in Cincinnati, the City Council has been mainly dem for most of the last 30 years and the teachers union that runs the Cincinnati Public Schools is a major donor to almost all the last half dozen mayors and most of those in the majority. city council ultimately bargains with the unions concerning the Cincinnati Public Schools

    How long has NYC being cutting union jobs?
    Gee, cutting union jobs doesn't show that politicians aren't beholden to unions?

    I think the word "beholden" means something other than what you think it means

    And I'm not surprised to see you thinking that I said anything about dems or repubs. The heavily partisan think everything is about party.
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wow one area proves everything I said wrong? LOL, in Cincinnati, the City Council has been mainly dem for most of the last 30 years and the teachers union that runs the Cincinnati Public Schools is a major donor to almost all the last half dozen mayors and most of those in the majority. city council ultimately bargains with the unions concerning the Cincinnati Public Schools

    How long has NYC being cutting union jobs?
    Nah, not one. It's the same in Illinois, a Democratic state and Chicago specifically, a Democratic city. Try again.

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

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    the issue was what good does a public union create given that its members are under the full protection of all of the relevant laws. If the public has decided that a teacher should make say 45K a year and the union demands 50K is not the Union acting contrary to the wishes of the public?
    No, they are not
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

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    the issue was what good does a public union create given that its members are under the full protection of all of the relevant laws. If the public has decided that a teacher should make say 45K a year and the union demands 50K is not the Union acting contrary to the wishes of the public?
    Who is this "public" you speak of? Are they individuals who have the qualifications to determine salary? Moreover, I and others have already listed numerous "good" things unions do for "the public", you just ignored them.

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

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    the issue was what good does a public union create given that its members are under the full protection of all of the relevant laws. If the public has decided that a teacher should make say 45K a year and the union demands 50K is not the Union acting contrary to the wishes of the public?
    Wages are not up for a vote. Unions negotiate. Leaders negotiate. No one is held under a gun and forced to agree to anything. And frankly, what does the public know abouot any of these details? They elected eladers to knwo this stuff.

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

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    Wages are not up for a vote. Unions negotiate. Leaders negotiate. No one is held under a gun and forced to agree to anything. And frankly, what does the public know abouot any of these details? They elected eladers to knwo this stuff.
    Paying a union teacher 50k is extortion. Paying a non-union military supplier 5k for a hammer is capitalism at its' best
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    in a private sector negotiation the bargaining is at least honest

    in public sector-often those "bargaining" with the unions have been put into office by those unions
    WOW!!! I never knew that.

    Could you link to that evidence ?

    I was in a teachers union for over 33 years and we never once had the luxury of bargaining with people we put in office.

    This is something new and I would like to see how it works with actual real life examples.

    How about it?
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Who is arguing that union busting is OK when a Dem does it?
    few care what people argue

    what matters is---it's going DOWN, and it's just starting

    cuz if a guy like MOONBEAM BROWN starts a-slashin...

    if the legislative assembly IN BOSTON shreds collective bargaining...

    if the city managers of DETROIT pink slip EVERY teacher...

    as inevitable as phsyics, from athens to sacto---nothing you can do to stop it

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

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    Paying a union teacher 50k is extortion. Paying a non-union military supplier 5k for a hammer is capitalism at its' best
    No ****.

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wow one area proves everything I said wrong? LOL, in Cincinnati, the City Council has been mainly dem for most of the last 30 years and the teachers union that runs the Cincinnati Public Schools is a major donor to almost all the last half dozen mayors and most of those in the majority. city council ultimately bargains with the unions concerning the Cincinnati Public Schools

    How long has NYC being cutting union jobs?
    links to verifiable evidence are needed to back up your opinion.
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