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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    people like me tend to control our environment without the help of unions

    enjoy living in the most prosperous nation in the world? thank entrepreneurs and corporations

    enjoy seeing more and more manufacturing going overseas? thank the Unions and parasitic politicians
    Is that why the income of the working class grew fastest when unions were at their strongest, and why the middle class has shown little income growth since Reagan began busting unions?

    Once again, the facts trump your opinions
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Because of workers. Do pay attention, and try to avoid strawman arguments. Workers have done as much or more than business, and some of them belonged to unions. As I have noted before, look at the world of employees before unions. Would you argue they were better off then?
    depends on who you are talking to. tell me what good do public sector unions do?



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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

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    Is that why the income of the working class grew fastest when unions were at their strongest, and why the middle class has shown little income growth since Reagan began busting unions?

    Once again, the facts trump your opinions
    unions created an artificially high wage for American labor. as globalization increased (which is inevitable) that wage scale could not survive because it was artificial and that is what is hurting the middle class

    in a competitive environment-artificially inflating the cost of a commodity to some of the competitors will kill them off. Unions in competitive industries that are global are doomed



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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    depends on who you are talking to. tell me what good do public sector unions do?
    Same as any other. Public workers are as concerned with working condition, wages, and compensation as the private sector. No matter who pays, the job is still ebing done, and all employees have the right to seek just compensation. If we don't like how well our leaders negotiate, find new leaders.

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Can anyone tell me what benefit to the public teachers' unions create? Good for DC, this needs to happen in many more school districts
    It depends on what part of the "public" you're talking about. If you're talking about union members and their families, then they benefit. If you're talking about non-union workers who work in professions where unions exist, then they benefit as well since employers treat them well with the ever present threat of them joining a union. If you're talking about students, then they benefit when unions fight for smaller class sizes, safer environments, limiting standardized testing, increasing instruction time, increasing music/phys ed./etc., training teachers to be effective instead of just firing them and repeating the same mistakes, an elected school board to get parents in charge, etc.

    But really, in spite of these benefits, the job of a union is to serve the members that pay them so their job is not to "look out for the public" even if some of their actions benefit the "public" by default. So the better question is: do public teachers' unions harm public education? Of course, some of their actions may be harmful, but from my perspective, they have a net neutral effect on education - actually I would argue that positives outweigh the negatives, particularly since the negatives can be easily fixed without getting rid of them altogether.

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

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    Can anyone tell me what benefit to the public teachers' unions create? Good for DC, this needs to happen in many more school districts
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Why would detailed or intimate knowledge be required to form an opinion? Do I have to be the weather man to tell you its raining?

    When you presume to sit in the high seat of judgment and decide who and how many teachers should be fired, yes, you had better have a damn good knowledge of how those people do their jobs. If you do not, you should shut your mouth before endorsing another person losing their job.
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    If D.C. was LA...........

    L.A. school district spent millions firing just seven teachers; paid $50,000 bribes to dozens more | Mark Hemingway | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

    ....it would of cost 100 million dollars to fire those 200 subprime teachers.........with only 40 teachers ultimately being fired.

    This is the system and the insanity liberals and Democrats defend.........sacrificing the education of millions of American children in the name of protecting incompetence, corruption, and DNC Union dues.
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    what a laugh
    management spends millions to fire seven teachers and you point to teacher incompetence
    ignoring that of management
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    unions created an artificially high wage for American labor. as globalization increased (which is inevitable) that wage scale could not survive because it was artificial and that is what is hurting the middle class
    What in the name of all that is holy does globalization have to do with teachers in DC losing their jobs ? Were these teaching jobs in DC classrooms outsourced to China or India?
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