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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    perhaps hold parents more accountable. reward parents for pushing their kids to value education and perform. perhaps lower fees for parents / students who agree to follow a set program, or even tax credits for families who sign up.

    the best teacher in the world would be challenged to motivate a student whose parents do not value education and demand results from their children.
    I agree with much of this, but these teachers were evaluated directly on five separate occaisions, and rated very low in their ability to follow an explain course content, manage time, etc. There are low performers in every profession, teaching included (just look at the mass conspiracy unfolding in Atlanta). We can't always blame it on the parents.
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Pro-active parents are yes, the first best line of defense in fighting poor students. Only a fool argues this point. HOWEVER, next in line is the talent, and ability of the teachers. Active parents can help over come poor teachers, and good teachers can overcome worthless parents to a degree. You cannot save a kid from parents that are indifferent, but you can fire ****ty teachers.
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    that is a very important story

    i'm a career california public school teacher, hi school math, east bay

    the wash ex lays out exactly how my industry is defined

    i wonder why the 200 in dc went so easily---they musta really been bad, their districts musta really got something on em

    that, or for whatever reasons, the union decided not to stand up for em

    the situation in los angeles illustrates the level of commitment a school adminstrator makes when he or she determines that a given teacher is underperforming

    from the ex: "moreover, 66 unnamed teachers are being continually recycled through a costly mentoring and retraining program but failing to improve, and another 400 anonymous teachers have been ordered to attend the retraining"

    look at those "failing to improve"

    any principal can sign that problem off his or her things-to-do with a simple check of a box

    the point---there are an awful lot of not corrupt but lazy and ineffective teachers out there that principals are not gonna write up cuz...

    who needs the headache

    there really are a lot of teachers who simply lack ability---she doesn't get the math or he can't control the kids...

    there are many oldsters with a been-there-done-that cynicism that can dominate staff meetings and intimidate admin trying to get a staff excited about something

    stuff like that

    but they're almost all good, upstanding, decent professionals, my colleagues, i've hardly met one who isn't

    we need reforms

    if our states are broke because of our health care or pensions, we need to kick in more

    if our staffs are being decimated while we continue block schedules giving each of us 100 minutes of prep per day, we should teach an extra class

    if our districts are under because they are not allowed to shop around for health care cuzza deals made by our unions, those deals should be redone

    etc

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    these teachers were evaluated directly on five separate occaisions, and rated very low
    not only that, they were evaluated by hi school or middle or elementary school principals or vice principals with a very strong incentive not to open THAT can of worms

    i'll tell you, i've seen quite a few teachers rated "satisfactory" by my vp's over the years who woulda been FIRED by my mom if she coulda seen em work

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Active parents can help over come poor teachers, and good teachers can overcome worthless parents to a degree.
    To a great deal apparently. I read of a program in a Colorado school - 50% minority, most likely hispanic. Kids were given intense reading instruction each morning, lots of 1 on 1 as coaches, music teachers pitched in during the designated time. Not only that, teachers called parents whenever homework wasn't turned in, and sometimes went to their homes. A little too in-your-face for my taste... but at the end of the year this group of low income minority students outscored every other school in the state, including the highly selective schools for gifted students. Reminded me of that movie 'Stand by Me' and just goes to show there is no substitute for hard work. That lesson is as valuable to the kids as the reading itself.

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The District fired 206 teachers for poor performance Friday, the second year in a row it has dismissed significant numbers of educators for sub-par work in the classroom.


    They were dismissed for poor scores on the evaluation system known as IMPACT, which grades teachers on five 30-minute classroom observations and their compliance with nine broad standards. These include ability to express course content clearly, teach students with differing skill levels and manage time effectively. For some teachers, half of their appraisal is contingent on whether students meet predicted growth targets on standardized tests.


    Large-scale dismissals of teachers for job performance is still a rarity in big city schools, experts say. Collective bargaining agreements and often-cumbersome appeals processes, combined with a reluctance on the part of officials to confront politically potent unions, have limited firings.


    Read more at: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired - D.C. Schools Insider - The Washington Post

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    That sounds like a really poor way to evaluate teachers. Our country is ****ed.

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Why would detailed or intimate knowledge be required to form an opinion? Do I have to be the weather man to tell you its raining?

    The education system sucks no matter how much money we throw at it in large part due to the fact that it is difficult to fire bad teachers. And Tenure is a horrible notion.

    Do you take issue with the firing of bad teachers? Do you take issue with any of the standards by which they were evaluated?
    Do you have any statistics to back up the overused, dumbass claim that the education system is failing due in "large" part to bad teachers? I already know the answer - no you don't. There are so many other problems and this "bad teacher" myth is a joke. This country is so stupid.

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    I'm really impressed by how many people in this thread are eating up the stories of the DC district. "Oh it's so amazing that they fired ineffective teachers." You're right, that sentence sounds great doesn't it. And yet nobody used their critical thinking skills and said, "well is were those teachers evaluated effectively?", "is it smart to fire teachers who go through years of training or would it be better to just train them?", "i wonder if these teachers were fairly fired or if they were fired for BS reasons?" Nope, none of those questions are fair because there are sooooooo many bad teachers which I know because I believe whatever my trusted news source tells me and have never gone to the teachers' organizations and teachers' unions to hear their side of the story because I love that privatization, conservative, bad teacher myth plate of BS.

    /rant. have a nice day.

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    This is ridiculous. Some punishment huh?



    N.Y.C. has about 700 teachers on paid leave in 'rubber rooms' | NJ.com
    NEW YORK -- Hundreds of New York City public school teachers accused of offenses ranging from insubordination to sexual misconduct are being paid their full salaries to sit around all day playing Scrabble, surfing the Internet or just staring at the wall, if that's what they want to do.
    APThis May 2006 photo provided by art teacher Judith Cohen shows her sitting in front of cardboard boxes in a rubber room, in New York. Hundreds of public school teachers in New York accused of offenses ranging from insubordination to sexual misconduct, have been banished to adult detention centers known as rubber rooms, where the city can keep an eye on them, paying them their full salaries of $70,000 or $80,000 a year to essentially do nothing. Cohen says she has been waiting in a rubber room, or reassignment center since May 2006. Cohen, an art teacher, said she passes the time by painting watercolors of her fellow detainees.
    Because their union contract makes it extremely difficult to fire them, the teachers have been banished by the school system to its "rubber rooms" -- off-campus office space where they wait months, even years, for their disciplinary hearings.
    The 700 or so teachers can practice yoga, work on their novels, paint portraits of their colleagues -- pretty much anything but school work. They have summer vacation just like their classroom colleagues and enjoy weekends and holidays through the school year.
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

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    Yes, it was ridiculous for the republican mayor to create those rubber rooms
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