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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    What's the alternative? Knowingly keep on ineffective teacherss? Or just hide your head in the sand - what you don't know can't hurt?
    perhaps hold parents more accountable. reward parents for pushing their kids to value education and perform. perhaps lower fees for parents / students who agree to follow a set program, or even tax credits for families who sign up.

    the best teacher in the world would be challenged to motivate a student whose parents do not value education and demand results from their children.

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you have a detailed and intimate knowledge of both the DC educational system as well as every other school district in America?
    Are you that blinded by politics that you will actually defend the jobs of sub-standard teachers?

    Really?

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The District fired 206 teachers for poor performance Friday, the second year in a row it has dismissed significant numbers of educators for sub-par work in the classroom.


    They were dismissed for poor scores on the evaluation system known as IMPACT, which grades teachers on five 30-minute classroom observations and their compliance with nine broad standards. These include ability to express course content clearly, teach students with differing skill levels and manage time effectively. For some teachers, half of their appraisal is contingent on whether students meet predicted growth targets on standardized tests.


    Large-scale dismissals of teachers for job performance is still a rarity in big city schools, experts say. Collective bargaining agreements and often-cumbersome appeals processes, combined with a reluctance on the part of officials to confront politically potent unions, have limited firings.


    Read more at: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired - D.C. Schools Insider - The Washington Post

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    I say good. Teachers just like any other employee in the world should be fired on the spot for poor performance. There should be no such thing as tenure nor should there be an expensive and lengthy appeals process just to fire a teacher. The goal of education is to educated children and prepare them for adult so they can get jobs and or go to college, not have secured employment for lousy teachers. The education of children is more important than the job security of teachers. As far as I know we do not have to go through a costly and lengthy process just to fire lousy firefighters, garbage men, police officers, janitors employed by the state or city, secretaries, dog catcher accountants and who ever the state and city employ.
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Are you that blinded by politics that you will actually defend the jobs of sub-standard teachers?

    Really?
    I think he believes every employee should get to go through a lengthy and costly appeals process to be fired no matter how lousy that employee is.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    If D.C. was LA...........

    L.A. school district spent millions firing just seven teachers; paid $50,000 bribes to dozens more | Mark Hemingway | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

    ....it would of cost 100 million dollars to fire those 200 subprime teachers.........with only 40 teachers ultimately being fired.

    This is the system and the insanity liberals and Democrats defend.........sacrificing the education of millions of American children in the name of protecting incompetence, corruption, and DNC Union dues.
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    If D.C. was LA...........

    L.A. school district spent millions firing just seven teachers; paid $50,000 bribes to dozens more | Mark Hemingway | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

    ....it would of cost 100 million dollars to fire those 200 subprime teachers.........with only 40 teachers ultimately being fired.

    This is the system and the insanity liberals and Democrats defend.........sacrificing the education of millions of American children in the name of protecting incompetence, corruption, and DNC Union dues.
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    Its because of crap like this why schools do the dance of the lemons.And that's why I do not buy the lets blame the parents nonsense that so many try to spew in defense of bad teachers.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its because of crap like this why schools do the dance of the lemons.And that's why I do not buy the lets blame the parents nonsense that so many try to spew in defense of bad teachers.
    Tis true.....

    For there will always be and have always been Bad Parents......Bad Fathers....Bad...Muthas.......

    .....but we havent always had Bad Teachers........until the Teacher's Union and Democrat Party began protecting, tenuring, and promoting them.
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Tis true.....

    For there will always be and have always been Bad Parents......Bad Fathers....Bad...Muthas.......

    .....but we havent always had Bad Teachers........until the Teacher's Union and Democrat Party began protecting, tenuring, and promoting them.
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    Yep go figure until the unions came along everything was just perfect... Its all the unions fault.... AGAIN.


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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yep go figure until the unions came along everything was just perfect... Its all the unions fault.... AGAIN.
    When you do someday admit to Reality......THAT UNIONS PROTECT BAD TEACHERS........you will realize where the lion's share of the blame should fall.

    Perhaps when the day comes when your Married with Chidlren.......and baring witness to a Public School System that has excelled in dumbing down your children.........in exchange for a King's ransom.........you will realize there is a better way.

    For it's the same "Everyone gets a Trophy" Crowd........that believes "Everyone can be a teacher, no matter how bad".......and pay DNC Union dues......that will someday show you its not at all about da childen......its about the money and propagting the lie and utter fraud that is Liberalism.
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think he believes every employee should get to go through a lengthy and costly appeals process to be fired no matter how lousy that employee is.
    Or maybe he thinks the "due process" idea is also useful in other areas, like when it comes to an employee possibly being fired for spurious reasons so to prevent that maybe somebody should stick up for that employee just in case.

    Take, for example, the ACORN video and the other video with that lady who got fired due to that other Breitbart video. Or the UAW guys on video drinking during lunch. Maybe it turns out that one of the guys in the video was just smoking a cigarette. The prejudgmental person would fire them all on the spot. The rational person would have an investigation occur to make sure that an innocent person didn't get canned.

    Incidentally, haymarket was not "defending the jobs of substandard teachers" at all. He was suggesting that maybe you guys don't actually have enough data to declare that this is some major epidemic across the whole country.
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