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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

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    I'm all for holding teachers accountable, but I really don't like this trend of basing their performance evaluations significantly on test scores. This has the effect of forcing teachers to focus significantly on teaching specifically what is on the test, at the expense of a broader and more nuanced approach to teaching. American students increasingly aren't taught how to think, just how to parrot the correct rote responses on standardized tests. That's a bad thing.

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    It cost millions of dollars to fire those teachers..........because The Teacher's Union and Democrats spend millions of dollars PROTECTING BAD TEACHERS! Its what they do.........
    Mgmt agreed to those contracts. Even in places where republicans are running the govt.

    Management in the Real Non-Union Slob World works like this...........YOUR FIRED! Clean out your desk, vacate the premises, and help yourself to a cup of Get The **** Out........Total Costs for Firing = $0.00
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    Not if the employer signs a contract obligating the employer to give the employee due process before termination.

    .......and you have the gall to blame this on a "management" issue.......good gawd......
    I forgot that mgmt is not responsible for the contracts it signs. Please forgive me
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I'm all for holding teachers accountable, but I really don't like this trend of basing their performance evaluations significantly on test scores. This has the effect of forcing teachers to focus significantly on teaching specifically what is on the test, at the expense of a broader and more nuanced approach to teaching. American students increasingly aren't taught how to think, just how to parrot the correct rote responses on standardized tests. That's a bad thing.
    It also encourages the schools mgmt to cheat on the test scores, and to help the students cheat on the test.

    Hechinger Report | High-stakes tests and cheating: An inevitable combination?

    A simmering scandal in Atlanta over cheating on standardized tests came to a head this week as state investigators released a report that found in the city’s schools “an enterprise where unethical—and potentially illegal—behavior pierced every level of the bureaucracy,” according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution. The scandal follows closely on the heels of a USA Today investigation into possible cheating in the Washington, D.C. schools. The Hechinger Report talked with Robert Tobias, director of the Center for Research on Teaching and Learning at NYU’s Steinhardt School of Culture, Education and Human Development, and former head of assessment and accountability for the New York City schools, about whether high-stakes testing inevitably leads to cheating, and how it might be avoided.
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    It cost millions of dollars to fire those teachers..........because The Teacher's Union and Democrats spend millions of dollars PROTECTING BAD TEACHERS! Its what they do.........

    Management in the Real Non-Union Slob World works like this...........YOUR FIRED! Clean out your desk, vacate the premises, and help yourself to a cup of Get The **** Out........Total Costs for Firing = $0.00
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    .......and you have the gall to blame this on a "management" issue.......good gawd......
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    so wrong
    the system employed attorneys and still out sourced the termination of those teachers
    as an active unionist, i well understand what is needed to terminate a union employee
    first, there must be evidence that the employee engaged in wrongdoing
    so, management needs to document it
    next, the contract terms regarding termination procedures must be followed. this is the due process imposed by the contract, which provisions were negotiated and agreed by labor AND management
    that's all that is needed. gather evidence and follow the agreed upon process
    but management is too frequently too inept
    they fail to document the employee's violation
    they fail to follow the process
    and as we can see, they fail in general ... and so do 30% of our kids, in a school system being mismanaged
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    occasionally a corrupt dem---LOL!

    how bout the time mr samuels, ge's internationally famous tax attorney, "dropped to one knee and pretended to beg" none other than CHARLIE RANGEL, sitting chair of WAYS AND MEANS, for the extension of that treasured tax extension

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/bu...pagewanted=all

    that'd be BEFORE barack the slasher hussein appointed ge's CHIEF EXEC OFFICER as his JOBS CZAR

    you remember mr immelt

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_812502.html
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I forgot that mgmt is not responsible for the contracts it signs.
    management is unilaterally tearing up public contracts in detroit, massachusetts, chicago, connecticut...

    you just can't trust those big govt promises

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    If it turns out they were truly incompetent, I have no problem with them being let go. From the article, it's hard to determine if this is indeed the case.

    However, generally speaking, removing an incompetent teacher makes much more sense than the common practice today of cutting teacher's already substandard compensation because of a state budget stressed by revenue losses due to the Bush Recession
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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The District fired 206 teachers for poor performance Friday, the second year in a row it has dismissed significant numbers of educators for sub-par work in the classroom.


    They were dismissed for poor scores on the evaluation system known as IMPACT, which grades teachers on five 30-minute classroom observations and their compliance with nine broad standards. These include ability to express course content clearly, teach students with differing skill levels and manage time effectively. For some teachers, half of their appraisal is contingent on whether students meet predicted growth targets on standardized tests.


    Large-scale dismissals of teachers for job performance is still a rarity in big city schools, experts say. Collective bargaining agreements and often-cumbersome appeals processes, combined with a reluctance on the part of officials to confront politically potent unions, have limited firings.


    Read more at: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired - D.C. Schools Insider - The Washington Post

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    I think this is a good start . good effective teachers are an invaluable asset to this country. They should be well rewarded for their contribution, and this program does that (Another 663 teachers (16 percent) were rated highly effective, making them eligible for performance bonuses of up to $25,000.)

    If you read the article given, those fired appear to be no loss to the education of our children (Of the 206 fired, officials said 65 were rated ineffective this year and 141 were judged minimally effective for the second consecutive year. Others were let go for licensure problems or other issues.) and will allow for teachers to be hired that will be more effective The simple fact of knowing your performance is subject to review, is like giving teachers notice that poor results aren't going to be tolerated any longer

    Is this an end all for our education system? No, but it's a beginning, a step in the right direction, one that rewards excellent teachers and gets rid of bad teachers .. to my way of thinking, a program such that this should be applauded, while at the same time understanding that this is but a single step, in improving our system.

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    Re: More than 200 D.C. teachers fired

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It also encourages the schools mgmt to cheat on the test scores, and to help the students cheat on the test.

    Hechinger Report | High-stakes tests and cheating: An inevitable combination?
    Just for once I would like to see a liberal get real .. . rather then make excuses … IMO, it's just this type of attitude that promotes and encourages such actions.

    A test does not encourage cheating .. period. How asinine can you get. I am so sick and tired of this that I could scream..... liberals like yourself only help to promote these actions.... Ohh the boogie man is the test …. not those that try to cheat their way around it. Any one that tries to promote such a thing is a very weak minded morally corrupt individual.

    Nothing promotes stealing, nothing promotes cheating, nothing promotes not following the rules …. except weak minded corrupt individuals that would rather try to circumvent the rules to promote themselves and nothing else.

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