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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Everything across the board over a period of years. Shared sacrifice you know....
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Everything across the board over a period of years. Shared sacrifice you know....
    Except don't ask of the wealthy. Shared sacrific only at the middle to lower economic levels, right?

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Democrats lied about balancing the budget in the 1980s and in the 1990s. There is absolutely no reason to believe them now. Where is the budget proposal by the Dems that has details?
    I can appreciate the distinction between Debt Held by the Public and the Total Debt. You are correct that from a Total Debt perspective, there we did not have a surplus in the late 1990's, but that deficit was the lowest it had been in nearly half a century. Do not get so hung up in the political semantics that you miss the point: the deficit was very, very manageable during the Clinton years. It got out of control during the ensuing administration(s).

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Cuts have consequences. What would you cut, so deep as to not need to rise revenue?

    Of course cuts will have consequences but so will continuously adding debt. We would be much better off cutting spending and living with those consequences then to collapse our entire economy which is exactly what will happen if we continue to add debt.

    I would cut every program that we have to a degree. We also have tens if not hundreds of thousands of programs that could be cut out all together. In one of my posts around here I had a list of some of our most outlandish programs that should never have been funded with tax dollars and they were just a small part of what goes on in our spending.

    The real question for persons that are ok with continuous spending. Which is better? Make sacrifices now but not so much that our lives can't continue as they are for the most part with perhaps a little less or continue the status quo and live good for 20 years only to collapse everything or have super inflation to the point all but the very wealthy are devastated. I would rather just have a little less.

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Everything across the board over a period of years. Shared sacrifice you know....
    Yep, lets ask the people that are hurting to sacrifice so the people that are prospering don't have to be bothered. This concept is the most absurd thing I have seen in my lifetime. The Conservatives should be ashamed.

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Of course cuts will have consequences but so will continuously adding debt. We would be much better off cutting spending and living with those consequences then to collapse our entire economy which is exactly what will happen if we continue to add debt.

    I would cut every program that we have to a degree. We also have tens if not hundreds of thousands of programs that could be cut out all together. In one of my posts around here I had a list of some of our most outlandish programs that should never have been funded with tax dollars and they were just a small part of what goes on in our spending.

    The real question for persons that are ok with continuous spending. Which is better? Make sacrifices now but not so much that our lives can't continue as they are for the most part with perhaps a little less or continue the status quo and live good for 20 years only to collapse everything or have super inflation to the point all but the very wealthy are devastated. I would rather just have a little less.
    I don't suggest we add to the debt. I suggest real shared sacrific, in which there are cuts, means testing, and an increase in taxes. All cuts together, completely cut, would not add up to enough unless you also make significant cuts in the big three. This will not only have consequences to the people who receive these services, but to politiicans who vote for them.

    But like I said, no one is actually arguing for uncontrolled spending.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yep, lets ask the people that are hurting to sacrifice so the people that are prospering don't have to be bothered. This concept is the most absurd thing I have seen in my lifetime. The Conservatives should be ashamed.
    You could have an argument (and I am all for fixing tax loopholes) if the government didnt spend every single cent it receives regardless of tax revenue. In our history what percentage of the years did we pay down our debt vs how many did we simply increase spending + further in debt.

    We could tax the wealthy 80% and in a matter of years that entire revenue would be spent and we would still be in debt.

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Cuts have consequences
    they sure do

    Personally I prefer Detroit's choice to Milwaukee's
    that's odd

    Detroit Moves Against Unions - WSJ.com

    Except don't ask of the wealthy
    Obama Calls Tax Cuts the 'Right Thing to Do'

    At Obama's side, Clinton backs tax deal - politics - White House - msnbc.com

    all those darn deep thoughts, man...

    they keep running into THE FACTS

    LOL!

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Shared sacrific only at the middle to lower economic levels, right?
    I suggest real shared sacrific
    dept chair, huh?

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Not true. A strong dollar would change that. Anyway,to the discussion.

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