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Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

Your Star said:
If we don't raise the debt ceiling, we can't pay our bills.
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Really? Well, tell the Dems to get serious about cutting the deficits.
 
It contrasts nicely with the Democrats' position...

Do you want to die quickly, or slowly and painfully?
 
donsutherland1 said:
From CNN:



Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling - CNN.com

That some elements of the Tea Party seek no debt ceiling hike whatsoever and are pressing Republicans toward that end represents another possible barrier to a deal to hike the debt ceiling.
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The Tea Party is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Republican Party.

Sorry, but collectively, its policies are idiotic. Can anyone produce an economist that will tell you that it will be ok to not raise the debt limit? These yahoos somehow think this is ok, even desirable. The nation is driving in a car down a twisting mountain road with cliffs on both sides and no brakes, and these people think you can just turn the car hard to the right, drive off the cliff and we will all be ok. They are not adults.

Though I don't see eye to eye with Republicans very often, at least the loyal opposition once brought intelligence to the debate. Now its just lunacy.
 
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upsideguy said:
The Tea Party is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Republican Party.
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It is this liberal disdain that proves beyond a doubt.........The Tea Party is the best thing to ever happen to the Republican Party.........
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upsideguy said:
Sorry, but collectively, its policies are idiotic. Can anyone produce an economist that will tell you that it will be ok to not raise the debt limit?
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Sure, I think I've read at least half a dozen pieces written by economists advocating a freeze. They're a minority, but they certainly exist.
 
The government borrowing money from one fund to pay to its expenses, e.g. social security, is like regular citizens borrowing from the Government to pay their taxes. Is this the "Hope and Change" many voted for? Or is it Washington as usual; something Obama said he would get away from. The fact is, if Obama didn't borrow so much money, he wouldn't have so much to pay back. But it's the evil Republicans who are holding the country hostage. :yawn: :spin:
 
Good. The GOP severely lost it's way over the previous decade. A little fear is just the thing they need.
 
The GOP rode the tea party tiger to victory in 2010 and now they can no longer control it. It will turn upon them and consume them.
 
One of the funny, yet sad thing is that the Republicans can't agree with Obama on anything without it being political suicide. Obama's plan has the biggest cuts in spending out of all the plans, and is a rather conservative plan, and the republicans won't vote it because "the other side" is bringing it to the table.
 
Your Star said:
One of the funny, yet sad thing is that the Republicans can't agree with Obama on anything without it being political suicide. Obama's plan has the biggest cuts in spending out of all the plans,
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that is nonsense.

1. he has never laid out a full plan, only leaked and hinted and talked about what he might do
2. as far as what he has offered in negotiations in cuts, he won't even agree to the full cuts hammered out in the Biden talks.
3. the "cuts" that he depends on for his big numbers aren't actually "cuts" at all. he simply assumes a higher baseline, reduces it back to what he was going spend anyway, and calls it a "cut". this, for example, is how he produces nearly a trillion in "cuts" by "not keeping surge levels in Afghanistan for 10 years straight". In addition, he counts interest not paid on the debt we never accrue from his "tax hikes" as "cuts". as an example, consider a deficit reduction plan made up entirely of a tax hike of $1 Trillion, which if we had borrowed would have necessitated $200 Billion in interest payments over 10 years. Obama would call that a "five to one tax increases to spending cuts" measure, despite the fact that nothing was ever actually cut. of these smoke and mirrors is the Presidents' proposed "cuts" made - similar to our "36 Billion in cuts" from the continuing resolution that turned out to only actually reduce spending by bout $500 million.
 
Your Star said:
One of the funny, yet sad thing is that the Republicans can't agree with Obama on anything without it being political suicide. Obama's plan has the biggest cuts in spending out of all the plans, and is a rather conservative plan, and the republicans won't vote it because "the other side" is bringing it to the table.
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Can you name ONE SPENDING CUT Senator Barack HusSame Obama ever voted for?

Can you name ONE SPENDING CUT State Senator Barack HusSame Obama ever voted for?

What the 24/7 Lie Factory talks about and actually does are two polar opposites............
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1059654870 said:
The fact is, if Obama didn't borrow so much money, he wouldn't have so much to pay back. But it's the evil Republicans who are holding the country hostage. :yawn: :spin:
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While Obama certainly hasn't helped the deficit spending, the truth is it's been going on for a LONG time. Most of the long-term obligations that we need to pay are much older than 3 years old. Many date back to HW Bush, and I wouldn't be surprised if some dated back to Reagan or even Carter.

The time has come to pay the piper, yes. But putting all the blame on Obama is just right wing spin.
 
LesGovt said:
They are clueless? The Dems are clueless if they think the GOP should again accept the lies and dishonesty over the budget that they have perpetrated on Republicans by the Democrats. Personally, I am not sure that I want this tyrannical government anymore. We have to have change and the change needs to be a reversal of much of the past 78 years of the nanny state. If the Democrats want to block that change, then we might need to shut down the government. Hopefully, he will gain some type of common sense before the actual day of reckoning.
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2011-78= 1933

So, apparently you want massive deregulation of everything, weak unions, racism, and sexism to come back to America???

Interesting....

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Mr. Invisible said:
2011-78= 1933

So, apparently you want massive deregulation of everything, weak unions, racism, and sexism to come back to America???

Interesting....

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Is your favorite exercise jumping to conclusions? Apparently, it is.
 
rocket88 said:
While Obama certainly hasn't helped the deficit spending, the truth is it's been going on for a LONG time. Most of the long-term obligations that we need to pay are much older than 3 years old. Many date back to HW Bush, and I wouldn't be surprised if some dated back to Reagan or even Carter.

The time has come to pay the piper, yes. But putting all the blame on Obama is just right wing spin.
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I don't recall anyone putting all the blame on Obama for the US debt but he has spent more tax payer contributions than the first 40 presidents combined. Therefore, he gets most of the attention for it. So the liberal spin is blaming conservatives for putting all the blame on Obama and "poor mouthing" about how he gets all the blame. So how's this, he only gets what he deserves. You do the math.
What, no race card this time? :spin::
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059656420 said:
What, no race card this time? :spin::
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Nobody mentions something that is irrelevant and you're disappointed because it means you can't play the victim. Typical right-wing victimhood. Rush has you trained well.
 
LesGovt said:
Personally, I am not sure that I want this tyrannical government anymore. We have to have change and the change needs to be a reversal of much of the past 78 years of the nanny state..
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what exactly are you suggesting?

a violent revolution to bring down the popularly elected government of the United States?

reversing the Civil Rights Act? The Voting Rights Act? Brown Vs. Topeka?
 
Thunder said:
what exactly are you suggesting?

a violent revolution to bring down the popularly elected government of the United States?

reversing the Civil Rights Act? The Voting Rights Act? Brown Vs. Topeka?
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There you go again. More silly questions based on your favorite exercise. I am not for any of the things you have suggested. You are a dolt to even think of such things. Next time, just ask what I mean if you don't know. I will gladly answer. Okay?

I am against the nanny state. I am against Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, much of EPA, OSHA, Dept of Education, etc., etc., etc. I am against the tyrants of Washington telling me what size car I should buy. I am against the tryrants of Washington telling me what lightbulbs I must buy. I am against the tyrants of Washington lying to me Americans that they won't have to change their current health insurance coverage and then set it up so that companies will stop offering insurance. I am against the tryants of Washington who say that company A, State A, or union A can be exempted from the new healthcare regs when others cannot. I am against the tyrants of Washington who spend money like it was milk and then want to tax us more because of their irresponsibility. I am against the tyrants of Washington who....

Well, you get the point. What am I for? Personal responsibility, frugality, self-discipline, honesty, self-sufficiency, and the other positive virtues. I am for limited government and freedom. I am for liberals keeping their grimy mitts out of people's pockets. I am for true charity and compassion and not phony liberal compassion.

Now, the next time you question me about what I mean, leave your racist crap in your own bigoted mind. My mind and my heart are not filled with racism and never have been. Got it? Thanks. Now, have a nice evening.
 
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LesGovt said:
I am against the nanny state. I am against Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, much of EPA, OSHA, Dept of Education, etc., etc., etc. I am against the tyrants of Washington telling me what size car I should buy. I am against the tryrants of Washington telling me what lightbulbs I must buy. I am against the tyrants of Washington lying to me Americans that they won't have to change their current health insurance coverage and then set it up so that companies will stop offering insurance. I am against the tryants of Washington who say that company A, State A, or union A can be exempted from the new healthcare regs when others cannot. I am against the tyrants of Washington who spend money like it was milk and then want to tax us more because of their irresponsibility. I am against the tyrants of Washington who.....
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what about the govt. telling you, you MUST hire a black person, or a Jew, or a woman, even if you don't like such people?

what about the govt. telling you, you MUST let blacks, Jews, and women live in your apartment building?

what about the govt. telling you, you MUST let blacks, Jews, and women attend your college?

what about the govt. telling you, you MUST let blacks, Jews, and women shop at your store?
 
Thunder said:
what about the govt. telling you, you MUST hire a black person, or a Jew, or a woman, even if you don't like such people?

what about the govt. telling you, you MUST let blacks, Jews, and women live in your apartment building?

what about the govt. telling you, you MUST let blacks, Jews, and women attend your college?

what about the govt. telling you, you MUST let blacks, Jews, and women shop at your store?
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You are totally incorrigible. I have hired blacks and not because the government has told me to do so. If I owned an apartment building in the 1950s or today, I would have allowed any race or ethnic background to live there. I attended a high school in 1963 that had a black girl who was homecoming queen. I also went to college with blacks in 1964. If I had owned a store in the 1950s or today, I would not have had a problem having anyone shop in my store.

That has always been the right thing to do as far as I am concerned. So, as for the government telling me that I should do the above things, it doesn't impact me in the slightest. Now, go take your little bigoted mind and find someone else to play your bigoted game with.
 
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