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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What we need is both parties to remember the lost art of compromise
    ah, the cult of compromise

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    No, the art of compromise.


    Martin Luther King, Jr., once said that the people in our country “must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.”

    http://go.hrw.com/resources/go_sc/hlth/hh4ada_ch_99.pdf

    By contrast, business demonstrates in many ways how to prosper through compromise. In a free market society, conceiving, developing and delivering a product or service is filled with hundreds of compromises that balance the needs of the consumer to obtain value with the needs of the producer to make a profit.

    The Art of Compromise CIO.com


    The art of compromise, which is essential to democracy, seems to have gone out of style in recent years of angry all-or-nothing politics.

    Read more: The Nation: The Art of Compromise - TIME

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I know you guys keep forgetting the lies of the Dems regarding their promises to cut expenses when they did not do so,
    who cares? Why worry oneself over a single stone created by the Dems when the mountain of dirt was created by the GOP--as indicated in the chart?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    but that's okay, some of us do. Also, I think your nice little chart is out-of-date.
    Perfectly in date. I think what you meant say was that it wasn't the chart Rush Limbaugh gave you.

    This is an old, tired pattern: the right wingers getting up and screaming "the Lefties are spending, the Lefties are spending!",

    and then we throw up a chart showing that in fact the Right that's responsible for most of the debt,

    and the right, having had its ass handed to it, crawls back in its hole, looks around, checks if no one else is around, and starts up again w/"the Lefties are spending, the Lefties are spending!"

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    You see, there was an election in 2010. That election put many new GOP members in Congress. This is not your mother's GOP.
    There's only one GOP--the Grand 'ol Pit.

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Maybe you missed it, and judging by your post, you did...but a great deal of the republicans elected in this past election cycle ran on cutting spending in DC. The problem for you is that this time, they actually mean it. As much as the tea party is hated by the left, they are the only group that has been for cutting spending. They had their hand in electing a lot of republicans this go around and they are serious about changing how things are done.

    Like I said, maybe you didnt notice.

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    bottom line: 61.6T under and sinking 5.3T per year:

    The federal government's financial condition deteriorated rapidly last year, far beyond the $1.5 trillion in new debt taken on to finance the budget deficit, a USA TODAY analysis shows.

    The government added $5.3 trillion in new financial obligations in 2010, largely for retirement programs such as Medicare and Social Security. That brings to a record $61.6 trillion the total of financial promises not paid for.

    Medicare alone took on $1.8 trillion in new liabilities, more than the record deficit prompting heated debate between Congress and the White House over lifting the debt ceiling.

    Social Security added $1.4 trillion in obligations, partly reflecting longer life expectancies. Federal and military retirement programs added more to the financial hole, too.
    U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions - USATODAY.com

    there's not enough revenue in the copernican system to make these promises complete

    if something isn't done NOW to fundamentally reform our entitlements, then our big 3 federal programs (our state pensions as well) will DIE

    leadership, anyone?

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    who cares? Why worry oneself over a single stone created by the Dems when the mountain of dirt was created by the GOP--as indicated in the charts.
    You still don't understand the nature of the lies about cutting expendtures and its impact on deficits.

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Perfectly in date. I think what you meant say was that it wasn't the chart Rush Limbaugh gave you.
    You are humorous. I meant what I said and I am the one who said it.

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    This is an old, tired pattern: the right wingers getting up and screaming "the Lefties are spending, the Lefties are spending!",
    I believe that all of the entitlements were driven by the Democrats and they make up far more than half of the budget. And, of course, thee are many other programs that were supported by Democrats.

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    and then we throw up a chart showing that in fact the Right that's responsible for most of the debt,
    In context, they do not.

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    and the right, having had its ass handed to it, crawls back in its hole, looks around, checks if no one else is around, and starts up again w/"the Lefties are spending, the Lefties are spending!"
    Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha !Ha!

    You are a stitch!

    Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha !Ha!

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    There's only one GOP--the Grand 'ol Pit.
    Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha !Ha!

    You are a stitch!

    Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha !Ha!

    I think the Comedy channel may need your services.

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    You still don't understand the nature of the lies about cutting expendtures and its impact on deficits.
    We do--the GOP has chanted the "cut spending" mantra for years, and the chart on annual deficits proves they lied. Pretty basic

    OH, here's more charts from the CATO Institute, FYI. . .

    The Republican Spending Explosion

    http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp87.pdf
    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    You are humorous. I meant what I said and I am the one who said it.
    Nope. You said what rush limbaugh and/or someone at FoxNEWS told you to believe, which explains why, llike most conservatives, you're unable to provide any cites to refute the larger deficits under GOP administrations.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I believe that all of the entitlements were driven by the Democrats
    Yes, you believe many things, such as how palin, bachman, and the Mama Grizzlies will save America, or how global warming is a "myth", or how Intelligent Design is science, or. . .

    Trouble is belief is irrelevant. What matters is evidence, and like most conservatives, you have none, since you get your "education" from the likes of bill o'reilly and sean hannity who don't offer any to go with their commentary.

    Rest of unsubstantiated (no evidence) BS snipped.
    Last edited by solletica; 07-27-11 at 10:05 PM.

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    Re: Tea party to GOP: We could make 'examples' of you over debt ceiling

    the deficit for february, 2011, alone was almost 40% higher than net borrowing for all of fiscal 2007

    Deficit for Fiscal 2007 Slides - Real Time Economics - WSJ

    U.S. sets $223B deficit record - Washington Times

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