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Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

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"The American people are sold," he said. "The problem is members of Congress are dug in ideologically."

Obama said 80 percent of Americans are on his side in the debate over what to include in the debt package. Voters are paying attention to "who seems to be trying to get something done," the president said. "It's going to be in the interests of everybody who wants to serve in this town to make sure they are on the right side of that impression."
Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal - TheHill.com
80% ?

Really?

Come now, 80%? That's a hell of a platform for 2012 "80% of you want more taxes, so I'm gonna give em to you!"

I guess he was speaking off Teleprompter again.
 
As the Beltway politicians try to figure out how they will raise the debt ceiling and for how long, most voters oppose including tax hikes in the deal.
Just 34% think a tax hike should be included in any legislation to raise the debt ceiling. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 55% disagree and say it should not. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
There is a huge partisan divide on the question. Fifty-eight percent (58%) of Democrats want a tax hike in the deal while 82% of Republicans do not. Among those not affiliated with either major political party, 35% favor a tax hike and 51% are opposed.
55% Oppose Tax Hike In Debt Ceiling Deal - Rasmussen Reports™

Perhaps Obama polled welfare recipients...
 
LOL.. He's pressing for some kind of tax increase anything that is an actual increase becasue he knows that the republican campaigned and won the house back promising no taxes.. He needs soimething desperately to hit them come 2012..

Tim-
 
LOL.. He's pressing for some kind of tax increase anything that is an actual increase becasue he knows that the republican campaigned and won the house back promising no taxes.. He needs soimething desperately to hit them come 2012..

Tim-

I actually think there is a lot of truth to this. I don't trust Obama further than I could throw him.
 
What we can trust him that he'd actually push for legislation after the debt limit is raised and the taxes are raised that will significantly cut spending. Why shouldn't we trust him? I mean, why should we think that 6 months later he'd just come around, say the situation is different, and not push for the spending cuts or push for a spending increase like stimulus.

Its not like 6 months ago he agreed to not raise taxes and leave them at the current rates only to turn around now and push to raise taxes again.





....wait a minute
 
What we can trust him that he'd actually push for legislation after the debt limit is raised and the taxes are raised that will significantly cut spending. Why shouldn't we trust him? I mean, why should we think that 6 months later he'd just come around, say the situation is different, and not push for the spending cuts or push for a spending increase like stimulus.

Its not like 6 months ago he agreed to not raise taxes and leave them at the current rates only to turn around now and push to raise taxes again.





....wait a minute

He needs to be able to hit the republicans over the head with a broken promise.. Increasing taxes is a perfect way to start.. :)

If it were anymore obvious he'd have a t-shirt.. :)


Tim-
 
You can find quite a few polls for or against raising the debt ceiling and getting rid of tax loopholes and tax credits.

Opinions and interpretations are open: Obama's deficit proposal: A 'moderate Republican' plan? - The Week

Fact of the matter is, Republican leadership wanted this fight for spending cuts, they are getting their cuts, that still isn't enough and they are losing this fight now. McConnell candidly said recently this is hurting the Republican brand, and will destroy it if they do not allow the debt ceiling to rise. Basically McConnell, the leadership of the Republican senate has said that right now his biggest goal and by virtue the entire Republican party is not jobs, but it is to be against Obama at all times. He says this in fact, with much glee and pep. Seriously I give McConnell credit though, unlike most Republicans at least he has the balls to come out and say this is all one big game to him.
 
Oh yeah people let's DO THIS another Obama-bashing thread!!

And remember Obama's sekrit about what he is:

Obama-Socialist-in-Chief.jpg



And what he supports (http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uploads/Obama-Socialism-1-300x240.gif)
 
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LOL.. He's pressing for some kind of tax increase anything that is an actual increase becasue he knows that the republican campaigned and won the house back promising no taxes.. He needs soimething desperately to hit them come 2012..

in military terminology we describe this as a "center of gravity". A center of gravity is that from which an opponent draws his strength - for example, if I have a poor defensive lined manned by conscripts, but an absolute 100% first rate massed artillery division behind them that you would have to fight through to get to that defensive line, then the artillery is my center of gravity. Even if you make no improvements to your own forces, if you can degrade / destroy / deny myy center of gravity, you improve my chances at victory.

Republicans Center of Gravity right now is their reputation as fiscal hawks. Obama needs to degrade it going into 2012 - that's why he's insisting on tax hikes.
 
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in military terminology we describe this as a "center of gravity". A center of gravity is that from which an opponent draws his strength - for example, if I have a poor defensive lined manned by conscripts, but an absolute 100% first rate massed artillery division behind them that you would have to fight through to get to that defensive line, then the artillery is my center of gravity. Even if you make no improvements to your own forces, if you can degrade / destroy / deny myy center of gravity, you improve my chances at victory.

Republicans Center of Gravity right now is their reputation as fiscal hawks. Obama needs to degrade it going into 2012 - that's why he's insisting on tax hikes.

I'm glad some get it!!


Tim-
 
in military terminology we describe this as a "center of gravity". A center of gravity is that from which an opponent draws his strength - for example, if I have a poor defensive lined manned by conscripts, but an absolute 100% first rate massed artillery division behind them that you would have to fight through to get to that defensive line, then the artillery is my center of gravity. Even if you make no improvements to your own forces, if you can degrade / destroy / deny myy center of gravity, you improve my chances at victory.

Republicans Center of Gravity right now is their reputation as fiscal hawks. Obama needs to degrade it going into 2012 - that's why he's insisting on tax hikes.
'....reputation as fiscal hawks':lamo
 
:) I didn't say it was always earned. But with the Tea Party driving the party, that is indeed the current field. Obama needs to find a way to degrade the Republican Party's ability to depend on that center of gravity. HIS center of gravity is MediScare Demagoguery; which is why changes to that program were never really on the table.
 
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in military terminology we describe this as a "center of gravity". A center of gravity is that from which an opponent draws his strength - for example, if I have a poor defensive lined manned by conscripts, but an absolute 100% first rate massed artillery division behind them that you would have to fight through to get to that defensive line, then the artillery is my center of gravity. Even if you make no improvements to your own forces, if you can degrade / destroy / deny myy center of gravity, you improve my chances at victory.

Republicans Center of Gravity right now is their reputation as fiscal hawks. Obama needs to degrade it going into 2012 - that's why he's insisting on tax hikes.

if that's true, we need only look at republican rule to see republicans spent, in john McCain's words, like drunken sailors. Now that is a grand center of gravity. :coffeepap
 
Now, as to the OP, if a majority look at our situation and say yes, we ahve to use both cuts and tax increases to ballance the budget, I would say bravo. That's a good sign. However, I still think there is a disconnect to people wanting services but not wanting to do the things required to pay for them. We the people are a much larger problem than either the republican or democratic party.
 
Polls and statistics are pretty much useless. There's a poll for every argument and a statistic to prove it.
 
Now, as to the OP, if a majority look at our situation and say yes, we ahve to use both cuts and tax increases to ballance the budget, I would say bravo. That's a good sign. However, I still think there is a disconnect to people wanting services but not wanting to do the things required to pay for them. We the people are a much larger problem than either the republican or democratic party.

Then they need to stop wanting those services.
 
This is what happens with democracy.. Its tough but this is when the public comes in contact and contrast with a representative trying to be a delegate and a trustee its the tough part about democracy.
 
:) I didn't say it was always earned. But with the Tea Party driving the party, that is indeed the current field. Obama needs to find a way to degrade the Republican Party's ability to depend on that center of gravity. HIS center of gravity is MediScare Demagoguery; which is why changes to that program were never really on the table.

Do you have any idea the irony of you referring to some one else's demagoguery?
 
Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal - TheHill.com
80% ?

Really?

Come now, 80%? That's a hell of a platform for 2012 "80% of you want more taxes, so I'm gonna give em to you!"

I guess he was speaking off Teleprompter again.


The question asked in the poll you reference is: "As part of legislation to raise the debt ceiling, should congress and the president raise taxes?" which is worded in such a way that it is sure to get a low number.

Another poll with some what more telling numbers: On Deficit, Americans Prefer Spending Cuts; Open to Tax Hikes

The question: "as you may know, Congress can reduce the federal budget deficit by cutting spending, raising taxes, or a combination of the two. Ideally, how would you like to see Congress attempt to reduce the federal budget deficit(and the five options are rotated here)".

The results:

Only with spending cuts: 20 %
Mostly with spending cuts 30 %
Equally with spending cuts and tax increases: 32 %
Mostly with tax increases: 7 %
Only with tax increases: 4 %

That is 73 % that favor some tax increases. By the way, this is the poll that Obama took his number from, but he just subtracted the 20 % who said spending cuts only from 100 %, which is inaccurate.
 
The question asked in the poll you reference is: "As part of legislation to raise the debt ceiling, should congress and the president raise taxes?" which is worded in such a way that it is sure to get a low number.

Another poll with some what more telling numbers: On Deficit, Americans Prefer Spending Cuts; Open to Tax Hikes

The question: "as you may know, Congress can reduce the federal budget deficit by cutting spending, raising taxes, or a combination of the two. Ideally, how would you like to see Congress attempt to reduce the federal budget deficit(and the five options are rotated here)".

The results:

Only with spending cuts: 20 %
Mostly with spending cuts 30 %
Equally with spending cuts and tax increases: 32 %
Mostly with tax increases: 7 %
Only with tax increases: 4 %

That is 73 % that favor some tax increases. By the way, this is the poll that Obama took his number from, but he just subtracted the 20 % who said spending cuts only from 100 %, which is inaccurate.

Redress, fighting the good fight, OBAMA ALL THE WAY BABY! That man, can do no wrong, say nothing to deter his love, for "The One"
 
Redress, fighting the good fight, OBAMA ALL THE WAY BABY! That man, can do no wrong, say nothing to deter his love, for "The One"

When everything you just claimed has been blown out of the water, I guess making up crap to try and discredit the person who showed all the flaws in your comments is all you got left.
 
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