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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Or over 70 % feel that tax increases should be part of the deficit reduction strategy.
    then 96% feel that cuts must be part of the answer

    no, the point made by GALLUP was that 11% of americans said that tax increases should be the primary approach ("the main way") to deficit reduction, whereas 50% felt the same way about CUTS

    you might actually read instead of just dropping links with misleading claims
    awful smarmy, rather immoderate

    oh well

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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Uh, no. Since you are going way beyond the nature of the poll, you cannot then use the poll results to back your claim.
    Not at all. The Poll asks if people think it should be dealt with EQUALLY with spending cuts and tax increases.

    Doing all of one thing IMMEDIATELY and doing one thing over 10 years largely backloaded is not an equal method of dealing with the issue.

    Would you be peddling this same argument if it was reversed and Republicans were saying we need to cut 4 Trillion from the budget immediately and that we'd raise taxes by 10% over the next 15 years with a .1% increase for the first 10 years and and 9% over the 5 after? Would they be proposing a solution that is "equally" dealing with it through tax hikes and spending cuts because they happen to be doing both even though the majority of the tax cuts don't come until almost 10 years after the fact?

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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not at all. The Poll asks if people think it should be dealt with EQUALLY with spending cuts and tax increases.

    Doing all of one thing IMMEDIATELY and doing one thing over 10 years largely backloaded is not an equal method of dealing with the issue.

    Would you be peddling this same argument if it was reversed and Republicans were saying we need to cut 4 Trillion from the budget immediately and that we'd raise taxes by 10% over the next 15 years with a .1% increase for the first 10 years and and 9% over the 5 after? Would they be proposing a solution that is "equally" dealing with it through tax hikes and spending cuts because they happen to be doing both even though the majority of the tax cuts don't come until almost 10 years after the fact?
    No, that was not the question asked. This was:

    "as you may know, Congress can reduce the federal budget deficit by cutting spending, raising taxes, or a combination of the two. Ideally, how would you like to see Congress attempt to reduce the federal budget deficit(and the five options are rotated here)"
    Only one option said equally, and you are assuming people take that to mean it as you do.
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    One option said equally. 32% of people agreed with that. One said mostly with SPENDING cuts, 30% said that. One said ONLY with spending cuts, 20% agreed with that

    That is 82% of the people in the poll seemingly disagreeing with the Presidents strategy, which seems to be mostly tax increases with some spending cuts that are primarily back ended 10 years down the line.

    Am I taking it to mean it as I suggest I do? Yes. Which is the same argument YOU must use to prove somehow that the President was correct (in that Mr. V was incorrect) in suggesting that a Poll suggests that 80% want "taxes raised" as an implication of support for his plan. Support for taxes being raised IN CONJUNCTION with an equal amount of focus on spending cuts does not equate to that group agreeing with tax hikes in a general sense which is the way the President suggested it.

    So if Mr. V is wrong due to the logic you used, then Obama too is wrong using that same standard you seek to apply.

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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    I think folks should review this website called "FastNotes". The linked portion of the site are like online "Tweets" directly to Speaker Boehner. The comments cover a variety of issues, but many of the more recent comments center around the debt ceiling debate. I think people would be quite surprised at what the people are saying.

    To help folks get an idea of how it works, there are 3 columns: Left = poster's lean about the comment they make, "Negative, Positive, Suggestin". Center = poster's comments. Right = how viewers rate the comments overall.

    I point this out so readers will understand that just because the poster may rate his/her comment as "Positive", that may not be the way the viewers see that particular point of view. For example, the following comment was rated by the posters as "Positive":

    Repealing ObamaCare
    save the best health care in the world repeal obama care. my cost is already going up
    But when you review how viewers rated the poster's comments, they gave it: "2 Agrees, 4 Disagrees"

    Point here is to determine how the people see things their peers address to the House Speaker. It's very interesting trying to gauge how folks think on things, but from reading the commentary it's clear to me that not everyone is happy with how Boehner is leading his party right now.
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The difference between the theory of evolution and "Hauser's Law" is one predicts accurately, one has failed to do so. Not only did your answer not actually answer my original question, you are buying into a failed hypothesis that does not match observation.
    nice. so is that your way of saying you really don't have any response based on any kind of evidence?



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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Or consider ways to pay for it.
    Pay for it themselves.
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Human nature is too obvious. Any pollster who ever tells you that people want tax increases, is a card-carrying liar.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    nice. so is that your way of saying you really don't have any response based on any kind of evidence?



    look, I can do it to:

    :sticks fingers in ears: nuuuhghuh!!!!!!!
    No evidence? Like that fact that this year and last prove the "Law" wrong? When a hypothesis does not match observation, the hypothesis is failed.
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Pay for it themselves.
    We can work together to solve large problems. And we can use government to do that.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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