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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I didn't say it was always earned. But with the Tea Party driving the party, that is indeed the current field. Obama needs to find a way to degrade the Republican Party's ability to depend on that center of gravity. HIS center of gravity is MediScare Demagoguery; which is why changes to that program were never really on the table.
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Do you have any idea the irony of you referring to some one else's demagoguery?
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal - TheHill.com
    80% ?

    Really?

    Come now, 80%? That's a hell of a platform for 2012 "80% of you want more taxes, so I'm gonna give em to you!"

    I guess he was speaking off Teleprompter again.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    55% Oppose Tax Hike In Debt Ceiling Deal - Rasmussen Reports™

    Perhaps Obama polled welfare recipients...
    The question asked in the poll you reference is: "As part of legislation to raise the debt ceiling, should congress and the president raise taxes?" which is worded in such a way that it is sure to get a low number.

    Another poll with some what more telling numbers: On Deficit, Americans Prefer Spending Cuts; Open to Tax Hikes

    The question: "as you may know, Congress can reduce the federal budget deficit by cutting spending, raising taxes, or a combination of the two. Ideally, how would you like to see Congress attempt to reduce the federal budget deficit(and the five options are rotated here)".

    The results:

    Only with spending cuts: 20 %
    Mostly with spending cuts 30 %
    Equally with spending cuts and tax increases: 32 %
    Mostly with tax increases: 7 %
    Only with tax increases: 4 %

    That is 73 % that favor some tax increases. By the way, this is the poll that Obama took his number from, but he just subtracted the 20 % who said spending cuts only from 100 %, which is inaccurate.
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The question asked in the poll you reference is: "As part of legislation to raise the debt ceiling, should congress and the president raise taxes?" which is worded in such a way that it is sure to get a low number.

    Another poll with some what more telling numbers: On Deficit, Americans Prefer Spending Cuts; Open to Tax Hikes

    The question: "as you may know, Congress can reduce the federal budget deficit by cutting spending, raising taxes, or a combination of the two. Ideally, how would you like to see Congress attempt to reduce the federal budget deficit(and the five options are rotated here)".

    The results:

    Only with spending cuts: 20 %
    Mostly with spending cuts 30 %
    Equally with spending cuts and tax increases: 32 %
    Mostly with tax increases: 7 %
    Only with tax increases: 4 %

    That is 73 % that favor some tax increases. By the way, this is the poll that Obama took his number from, but he just subtracted the 20 % who said spending cuts only from 100 %, which is inaccurate.
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Redress, fighting the good fight, OBAMA ALL THE WAY BABY! That man, can do no wrong, say nothing to deter his love, for "The One"
    When everything you just claimed has been blown out of the water, I guess making up crap to try and discredit the person who showed all the flaws in your comments is all you got left.
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    When everything you just claimed has been blown out of the water, I guess making up crap to try and discredit the person who showed all the flaws in your comments is all you got left.
    It wasn't blown out of the water. NBice try though. Obama's gonna join the ranks of the unemployed in 2012, then spend the rest of his life as the Next Jimmy Carter.
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It wasn't blown out of the water. NBice try though. Obama's gonna join the ranks of the unemployed in 2012, then spend the rest of his life as the Next Jimmy Carter.
    Funny, you have failed to counter anything I said. You just make wild claims and straw men.
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

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    Then they need to stop wanting those services.
    Or consider ways to pay for it.

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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The question asked in the poll you reference is: "As part of legislation to raise the debt ceiling, should congress and the president raise taxes?" which is worded in such a way that it is sure to get a low number.

    Another poll with some what more telling numbers: On Deficit, Americans Prefer Spending Cuts; Open to Tax Hikes

    The question: "as you may know, Congress can reduce the federal budget deficit by cutting spending, raising taxes, or a combination of the two. Ideally, how would you like to see Congress attempt to reduce the federal budget deficit(and the five options are rotated here)".

    The results:

    Only with spending cuts: 20 %
    Mostly with spending cuts 30 %
    Equally with spending cuts and tax increases: 32 %
    Mostly with tax increases: 7 %
    Only with tax increases: 4 %

    That is 73 % that favor some tax increases. By the way, this is the poll that Obama took his number from, but he just subtracted the 20 % who said spending cuts only from 100 %, which is inaccurate.
    So 82% (Or 89% if I use Obama Math) of the Country feels that Spending cuts should be as much the focus if not more the focus of this issue than tax hikes. And 50% of American's feel like it should be significantly dealt with with spending cuts

    And yet Obama's plan is to cut a few trillion out over more than TEN YEARS in a horribly backloaded system that is not guaranteed to even happen a few years from now but to jack up taxes on a number of individuals immediately.

    Yeah, his funky math may've been relatively correct regarding an specifically poll, but even then the numbers he's quoting don't exactly jive with the proposal he's putting forth.

    Tax hikes IMMEDIATELY and spending cuts over more than a decades worth of time that are horribly back loaded is not "EQUALLY" with spending cuts and tax increases, that's mostly with tax increases. Congratulations Obama, 82% (Or 89% using your Math) of American's disagree with your approach. You would however fit right in with the diminutive dim wit that runs the local football team, your plan is a wonderful mimic to the contracts he shoves out at people. Come to think of it, he believes you can just throw money at **** and fix problems too.

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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    a salient point---Tax hikes IMMEDIATELY and spending cuts over more than a decades worth of time that are horribly back loaded is not "EQUALLY"

    even bigger picture:

    The federal government's financial condition deteriorated rapidly last year, far beyond the $1.5 trillion in new debt taken on to finance the budget deficit, a USA TODAY analysis shows.

    The government added $5.3 trillion in new financial obligations in 2010, largely for retirement programs such as Medicare and Social Security. That brings to a record $61.6 trillion the total of financial promises not paid for.

    Medicare alone took on $1.8 trillion in new liabilities, more than the record deficit prompting heated debate between Congress and the White House over lifting the debt ceiling.

    Social Security added $1.4 trillion in obligations, partly reflecting longer life expectancies. Federal and military retirement programs added more to the financial hole, too.
    U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions - USATODAY.com

    bottom line---if you wanna tax go ahead and tax

    at 61.6T, growing 5.3 per year, there's not enough revenue in the galaxy

    ie, drops in oceans

    spin, anyone?
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