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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    in military terminology we describe this as a "center of gravity". A center of gravity is that from which an opponent draws his strength - for example, if I have a poor defensive lined manned by conscripts, but an absolute 100% first rate massed artillery division behind them that you would have to fight through to get to that defensive line, then the artillery is my center of gravity. Even if you make no improvements to your own forces, if you can degrade / destroy / deny myy center of gravity, you improve my chances at victory.

    Republicans Center of Gravity right now is their reputation as fiscal hawks. Obama needs to degrade it going into 2012 - that's why he's insisting on tax hikes.
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    in military terminology we describe this as a "center of gravity". A center of gravity is that from which an opponent draws his strength - for example, if I have a poor defensive lined manned by conscripts, but an absolute 100% first rate massed artillery division behind them that you would have to fight through to get to that defensive line, then the artillery is my center of gravity. Even if you make no improvements to your own forces, if you can degrade / destroy / deny myy center of gravity, you improve my chances at victory.

    Republicans Center of Gravity right now is their reputation as fiscal hawks. Obama needs to degrade it going into 2012 - that's why he's insisting on tax hikes.
    '....reputation as fiscal hawks'

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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    I didn't say it was always earned. But with the Tea Party driving the party, that is indeed the current field. Obama needs to find a way to degrade the Republican Party's ability to depend on that center of gravity. HIS center of gravity is MediScare Demagoguery; which is why changes to that program were never really on the table.
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    in military terminology we describe this as a "center of gravity". A center of gravity is that from which an opponent draws his strength - for example, if I have a poor defensive lined manned by conscripts, but an absolute 100% first rate massed artillery division behind them that you would have to fight through to get to that defensive line, then the artillery is my center of gravity. Even if you make no improvements to your own forces, if you can degrade / destroy / deny myy center of gravity, you improve my chances at victory.

    Republicans Center of Gravity right now is their reputation as fiscal hawks. Obama needs to degrade it going into 2012 - that's why he's insisting on tax hikes.
    if that's true, we need only look at republican rule to see republicans spent, in john McCain's words, like drunken sailors. Now that is a grand center of gravity.

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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    '....reputation as fiscal hawks'
    I agree.

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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Now, as to the OP, if a majority look at our situation and say yes, we ahve to use both cuts and tax increases to ballance the budget, I would say bravo. That's a good sign. However, I still think there is a disconnect to people wanting services but not wanting to do the things required to pay for them. We the people are a much larger problem than either the republican or democratic party.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Polls and statistics are pretty much useless. There's a poll for every argument and a statistic to prove it.

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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

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    Oh yeah people let's DO THIS another Obama-bashing thread!!

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    And what he supports (http://noisydove.com/wp-content/uplo...-1-300x240.gif)
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Now, as to the OP, if a majority look at our situation and say yes, we ahve to use both cuts and tax increases to ballance the budget, I would say bravo. That's a good sign. However, I still think there is a disconnect to people wanting services but not wanting to do the things required to pay for them. We the people are a much larger problem than either the republican or democratic party.
    Then they need to stop wanting those services.
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    Re: Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal

    This is what happens with democracy.. Its tough but this is when the public comes in contact and contrast with a representative trying to be a delegate and a trustee its the tough part about democracy.


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