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Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

BDBoop said:
By that logic, so are hugs.
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There's a difference. Logic is not used when prayer is used. Logic can explain why we feel that way we do when we feel emotions.
There's a chemical reaction in our brain when we experience these emotions. That explains it logically.
 
madman said:
There's a difference. Logic is not used when prayer is used. Logic can explain why we feel that way we do when we feel emotions.
There's a chemical reaction in our brain when we experience these emotions. That explains it logically.
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You think chemical reactions explain the warm fuzzy of hugs but not prayer?
 
Catawba said:
It causes harm if people see prayer as an alternative to personal responsibility.
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So instead of praying for rain, those folks oughta be out there doing something to end the drought.


Lazy slackers.....



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BDBoop said:
You think chemical reactions explain the warm fuzzy of hugs but not prayer?
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(I'm prayin' for a hug from bdboop....._:2dancing:)





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Caine said:
What is wrong with people getting a warm and fuzzy feeling?
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Nothings wrong with it, just like there is nothing wrong at laughing at people that honestly think this will solve any problems.

Pray in one hand and **** in the other. See which one fills up first, lol.
 
madman said:
There's a difference. Logic is not used when prayer is used. Logic can explain why we feel that way we do when we feel emotions.
There's a chemical reaction in our brain when we experience these emotions. That explains it logically.
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If you would like I will look them up and if you say it would make a difference I will, but there have been many studies that show prayer does the same thing. Many studies have shown that while nobody can correlate prayer with getting better, those that prayer often times do better when ill.

Same principle.
 
madman said:
There's a difference. Logic is not used when prayer is used. Logic can explain why we feel that way we do when we feel emotions.
There's a chemical reaction in our brain when we experience these emotions. That explains it logically.
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There are chemical reactions in our brain when we experience prayer as well. By your own example, that makes prayer logical.

(looking for the link, but dont hold your breath, it was like three years ago when I read about the study...)
 
BDBoop said:
You think chemical reactions explain the warm fuzzy of hugs but not prayer?
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Yes, that warm fuzzy feeling you get when you hug or kiss can be explained logically. Im sure you that you really do not experience that same feeling after one prayer.
 
"The particular faith that motivates each of us can promote a greater good for all of us," President Obama

****ing moron. As if people need prayer and faith to promote a greater good. What a deucebag for infecting the world with talk of prayer and faith.
 
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BamaBrat said:
There are chemical reactions in our brain when we experience prayer as well. By your own example, that makes prayer logical.
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Can you back that claim up? and not from a religious organization. I'd like to read the real science.
 
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Cole said:
(I'm prayin' for a hug from bdboop....._:2dancing:)





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Whoa!! It's been a very long time since I was last able to grant a prayer request. ;)

/hug
 
madman said:
Yes, that warm fuzzy feeling you get when you hug or kiss can be explained logically. Im sure you that you really do not experience that same feeling after one prayer.
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Not the same one. The one I experience is peace of mind.
 
madman said:
Can you back that claim up? and not from a religious organization. I'd like to read the real science.
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It was in a scientific journal of some sort and a special on cable... im looking...
 
Try to find the journal where prayer helped someone else.
 
madman said:
Can you back that claim up? and not from a religious organization. I'd like to read the real science.
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Depression and Meditation

Prayer and meditation can augment both serotonin and dopamine production and your optimistic center. It turns on the vagal system, the optimistic center and suppresses the pessimistic center and the sympathetic nervous system- reversing a downward trend. The same is true about negative thought, such as anger and uncontrolled stress. This turns on cortisol and the pessimistic center that cause further deterioration leading to depression and sleeplessness.

Pretty basic. Do you sleep and do better when you have something bothering you or after you've dealt with it?
 
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The Rev Kros said:
Try to find the journal where prayer helped someone else.
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NOT what I said at all. He was talking about "warm and fuzzies" gotten from a hug..... and stated that those from prayer are different.
 
BamaBrat said:
NOT what I said at all. He was talking about "warm and fuzzies" gotten from a hug..... and stated that those from prayer are different.
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yes, I'd like to see a scientific journal that says there's a chemical reaction that gives you the warm and fuzzy feeling when one prays.

Other than that, prayer is still illogical when you ask for a certain outcome.
 
Cole said:
So instead of praying for rain, those folks oughta be out there doing something to end the drought.


Lazy slackers.....



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If you think that prayer rather then reducing our CO2 output will help cool the planet, than the practice is harmful to society.
 
But of course for as many people, journals, medical studies, that say it does work, just as many say it doesnt. I think its more of a personal belief than anything else... If you believe that prayer makes you feel better about whatever, it generally does. Mind over matter kinda thing. If you dont believe it.... its not gonna make any difference to you anyway. (still looking madman... found other stuff in medical journals, but not what I originally heard... of course, i suck at lookin for stuff online, so take that for what its worth)
 
madman said:
yes, I'd like to see a scientific journal that says there's a chemical reaction that gives you the warm and fuzzy feeling when one prays.

Other than that, prayer is still illogical when you ask for a certain outcome.
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Didn't you know Jesus is on the mainline, just call him up and tell him what you want! :sun

 
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theres nothing really wrong with asking people to pray for rain, its just a typical stupid over the top christian conservative (borderline offensive) thing to say. nothing surprising here.
 
I see prayer as a way for people to focus on the important things in their day and life. I don't focus with prayer, but it seems kinda like writing a journal or preparing for ours and other's challenges. I don't think it contacts anyone, so to speak; however, collective will and focus can have impacts on events. I used to mock it but now I look for the good in it, even if I don't do it myself.
 
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Ok tired of looking. Heres a couple in medical journals i think. (which really proves or disproves nothing, because for every study you find that says it works, there are just as many that say it doesnt... it all basically comes down to personal opinion)

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/...n11101_fm.html

Doctors increasingly find introducing prayer helps calm patients and speeds recovery

If you dont believe in prayer, it does nothing for you or anyone else. If you do, prayer does give you a sense of the warm and fuzzies, of feeling better, or feeling more peaceful... this i say from personal experience and nothing else.
 
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