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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    If you don't believe me, try telling the black community that MLK was overhyped, or rock fans that the Beatles provided no influence on music, or democrats that Obama is an idiot. Are you going to claim that if they get defensive that they must not be secure in their beliefs?
    I forgot to answer this.
    unlike a god, the MLK, Beatles, and Democrats on Obama examples are opinions. These opinions are based on what people see or experience. Can these opinions be proven as fact or false? of course, but religion/god can not.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    History does not make something right.

    See Marsh v. Chambers (1983)

    "Standing alone, historical patterns cannot justify contemporary violations of constitutional guarantees..."

    Walz v. Tax Commission of the state of New York (1970)

    "No one acquires a vested or protected right in violation of the constitution by long use, even when that span of time covers our entire national existence and indeed predates it."

    By that same logic one could have argued that slavery was okay because we've been doing it for so many years.
    Lee v. Weisman (1992) is a good case for Church/State separation.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    They also said a black person was only 3/5 of a person. The Founders were after all, only people, not deities.
    Would it have been better that the people who owned slaved been able to use their slaves to get more representation? I would have to say the founders were pretty smart.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Recognizing that god cannot be proven is not tossing logic out the window.
    not necessarily proving god can not be proven, but just a lot of different things that come out of religion as a whole.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hundreds of years ago there was no proof or method to prove the earth was spherical, yet now we know it is. Who knows what we'll discover in several hundred more years.
    ‪Where did it all come from?‬‏ - YouTube

    Your statement is wrong in a similar fashion, although I'd say not to nearly the staggering degree of stupidity that O'Reilly showed.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Would it have been better that the people who owned slaved been able to use their slaves to get more representation? I would have to say the founders were pretty smart.
    Yeah, the 3/5 compromise was all about power in congress.

    The slave states wanted slaves to count as full people. Not out of some altruistic "we think the slaves are people too" nonsense, it was because they wanted more seats in congress and that would give their states more power.

    Similarly, the non-slave states wanted slaves to count as zero persons because it would decrease the power of the slave states.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    ‪Where did it all come from?‬‏ - YouTube

    Your statement is wrong in a similar fashion, although I'd say not to nearly the staggering degree of stupidity that O'Reilly showed.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    The result was the same.

    Article I, Section. 2 [Slaves count as 3/5 persons]
    Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons [i.e., slaves].
    I see. If you were living back then, you would have stood with the Southern slaveholders in demanding slaves be counted 5/5 for the purposes of bringing revenue into Southern states. Knowing of course that those slaves would never see any benefit from that added revenue... quite the contrary.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    How stupid can one be? Well it is Oklahoma. So it fits the local mentality.
    Not sure what issues you have with "Live and let live". If they want to pray, stand on their heads and twiddle their toes - it's up to them. If they believe it help, who am I to say it doesn't?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    not necessarily proving god can not be proven, but just a lot of different things that come out of religion as a whole.
    I believe in science, but also recognize that there's a bunch of crap that derives from it, and crackpots that practice it. Logic tells ME not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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