I know he's not commanding everyone to pray, or i know he didnt say to pray to a god. However, he did say "pray to our christian god". He might have not literally said that, but come on, its' OKLAHOMA. He's pandering to his base, and his base are christians.
BTW, love your fox brainwashing sig
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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"
Cicero Marcus Tullius
It's not going to hurt anything, if anything it will bring those you believe together ina positive way
I don't understand why you care so much to post a thread, or feel the need to make fun of people for their personal beliefs. I have a few guesses.
The state doesn't have to take out a full page ad saying, "This is a Christian" nation for there to be a violation of the establishment clause.
Traditionally in courts they use what is called a "Lemon Test" to determine if the act is constitutional. So let's apply it here.
1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose;
... Not seeing a "secular" purpose to asking people to pray to a deity.
2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;
...asking people to pray seems like advancing religion to me.
3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.
... We could argue til the end of days what is "excessive" but in my mind "excessive" is any entanglement.
All 3 conditions do not have to be met. Only one. Yet, I think it's clear that the action we're discussing fail this test.
Unless he can provide some evidence where praying has more effect on the real world than standing on your head, or doing a rain dance, or any other action... then his actions can only be construed as an abuse of authority to advance religious belief.
Regarding AA, there are a lot of people who feel that court ordered AA is a violation of the establishment clause. Some states have even allowed people to choose a treatment of their choosing which includes secular AA like programs.
It's not that im trying make fun of peoples beliefs, it's just, i can not fathom why people believe in a "god" that does not exist.
Why do christians get so defensive when people oppose their "god"? Are they not secure in their religion?
"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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