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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No, because it was abolished by the thirteenth amendment in 1865, so what happened before then does not bear the same relevance.
    Yes, it was abolished. I realize this. My argument was that prior to the 13th amendment, someone could have made the same argument regarding slavery that you and others seem to making. That the founding fathers supported something, or that they did something, or that we as a country have been doing it for a while... has no bearing on the constitutionality of an action.

    This argument isn't original to me. There is case law to back this up. I cited it earlier in this thread.
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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    I don't see any reason to believe it was overlooked for feel good stuff.
    No, I also imagine it was because of the religious references.

    I don't see it as that important. The only real importance is that it signaled a peaceful transition in the head of state.
    No, I don't suppose you do.

    Washington was not a particularly deep thinker when it came to forms of government. His argument about parties and factions shows good intentions and incredible naivete. Parties are an inevitable part of democracy.
    Perhaps it doesn't take thinking that's all that deep.

    It does not encourage a specific practice of religion. It's in general and came in his farewell address. A farewell address is less an act of government than is a day of prayer proclamation. It has no power and is clearly more like a statement from a citizen than it would be if it came during his term.
    The day he was sworn in he demanded that it by on the Bible. There was a delay until the Bible was rounded up. A proclamation of prayer has no power either. Do it or not.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    But again, what people have done in the past does not matter when it comes to the constitutionality of an issue.
    You are right. It doesn't.

    So what some judges have interpreted as to this establishment clause does not matter in determining the constitutionality of the issue.
    The amendment says "congress shall pass no laws respecting the establishment of religion" Nowhere does it say that an elected official cannot encourage those who are religious to pray.
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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    I guess... But by that same logic we shouldn't question slavery because it was supported by the founding fathers and we have been doing it for so many years.

    I also cited case law earlier in this thread which supports this.
    We also had to pass a Constitutional Adm to change that.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    Regarding the "no law was made" and the "he has rights too and they're not checked at the door" arguments. Please go back and read the earlier posts in this thread. You're rehashing arguments that have already been dealt with.
    You keep saying please go back... But I have not seen anything that shows he signed a passed bill into law that respects the establishment of religion.

    Encouraging religious folks to pray is not passing a law.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    LOL, silly

    'Massive heat wave' on way; Okla. tries prayer - Weather - msnbc.com

    In the thick of the heat wave is Oklahoma where Gov. Mary Fallin asked Oklahomans to pray for rain this Sunday.

    "The power of prayer is a wonderful thing, and I would ask every Oklahoman to look to a greater power this weekend and ask for rain," Fallin said in a news release on Thursday.
    Fallin on Thursday also issued a ban on outdoor burning for the western half of the state because of the extreme drought conditions.

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    Prayer does not work, never has, never will. There is ZERO scientific evidence. it only give people that warm fuzzy feeling.
    This guy thinks Global Warming and Climate Change are a myth....As a shill for big oil, he has done more to smear and muddy real climate science.



    As bad as I feel for the people of OK... they voted for him.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You are right. It doesn't.

    So what some judges have interpreted as to this establishment clause does not matter in determining the constitutionality of the issue.
    The amendment says "congress shall pass no laws respecting the establishment of religion" Nowhere does it say that an elected official cannot encourage those who are religious to pray.
    Once again, you've made an argument that was brought up earlier in this thread. Please go back and read the rest of the thread.
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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You keep saying please go back... But I have not seen anything that shows he signed a passed bill into law that respects the establishment of religion.

    Encouraging religious folks to pray is not passing a law.
    It was stated numerous times that it doesn't have to be a law to be an establishment clause violation. There is plenty of case law to support this.
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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    This guy thinks Global Warming and Climate Change are a myth....As a shill for big oil, he has done more to smear and muddy real climate science.



    As bad as I feel for the people of OK... they voted for him.
    Nobody cares.... take it to a thread on climate change....

    Moving on...
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    It was stated numerous times that it doesn't have to be a law to be an establishment clause violation. Ther is plenty of case law to support this.
    And they are all wrong.
    Because I said so.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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