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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    I've stated three times now that it's a violation of the establishment clause REGARDLESS of party lines.

    You're arguing against an argument that I haven't made. I think that's called straw-man fallacy.

    The fact that others may be guilty of this special pleading has nothing to do with the argument that I made. It seems to me like, perhaps you don't want to address my arguments and instead are trying distract attention away from that.
    The President or Governor or whoever does not lose their freedom of religious belief or free speech when they take office.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The President or Governor or whoever does not lose their freedom of religious belief or free speech when they take office.
    You are absolutely correct, and if Rick Perry the private citizen was going to a prayer rally I'd have no problem with it. That's not the case though. He's going as Governor Rick Perry in an official capacity. He's listed as one of the leaders and is promoting it from his website.

    THAT is a violation of the establishment clause.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    What could he possibly do to prove that he was God? You seem to be saying that there is something he could do that would have you say, "I have no idea how that could be explained except as an act of God"
    Any of the miracles claimed in the bible. Part the Red Sea. That would do it for me.

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    You pretend to know what science is, and yet you're no different than those who looked up at a rainbow 10,000 years ago and said, "I have no idea how that could be explained except as an act of God"

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Thanks, Santayana, but perhaps you should question the lack of harm caused by it and the increased morale, and unity in purpose resulting from such simple gestures of humility and hope.
    Oh please. That's bunch of bull****. Asking people to pray increases their morale about as much as prayer makes it rain. That's a fairy tale.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    You are absolutely correct, and if Rick Perry the private citizen was going to a prayer rally I'd have no problem with it. That's not the case though. He's going as Governor Rick Perry in an official capacity. He's listed as one of the leaders and is promoting it from his website.

    THAT is a violation of the establishment clause.
    I don't see any promotion of a prayer rally on the Office of the Governor of Texas website.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I don't see any promotion of a prayer rally on the Office of the Governor of Texas website.
    On "The Response" leadership page he's listed as "Governor Rick Perry, initiator of The Response"

    http://theresponseusa.com/leadership.php

    On the homepage is a big video of him that starts out, "I'm Governor Rick Perry..."

    http://theresponseusa.com/

    Here's where he made the proclamation to pray for rain:

    http://governor.state.tx.us/news/proclamation/16038/

    Here's what The Response spokesperson had to say about the event...

    Bearse: A lot of people want to criticize what we're doing, as if we're somehow being exclusive of other faiths. But anyone who comes to this solemn assembly regardless of their faith tradition or background, will feel the love, grace, and warmth of Jesus Christ in that assembly hall, in that arena. And that's what we want to convey, that there's acceptance and that there's love and that there's hope if people will seek out the living Christ. And that's the message we want to spread on August 6th.
    See... They want people of all faith to come and worship Jesus :/

    I'm on a mobile device right now, didn't see on the government website but they may have taken it down, it wasn't there, or I'm just not finding it.

    Looks like he's trying to distance himself from the supporters of the event.

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/polit...er-meeting.ece
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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Any of the miracles claimed in the bible. Part the Red Sea. That would do it for me.
    It may very well do it for you, but it doesn't prove the existence of god by any rational measure.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    There may be people that make this party line distinction, but I did not.

    Republican, Democrat, other... doesn't matter to me. If you use your office to promote an event whose sole purpose is to promote religion or a specific religion over another specific religion or non-religion... you're in violation of the establishment clause.
    It is not an event. She didn't propose people gather in a particular place to pray in the name of any religion. She didn't promote a specific religion. She promoted prayer in a very generalized way. I don't think it precluded for example Muslims from gathering at their mosques and praying or a bunch of hippies gathering in the woods to pray to some fairy god. It was one sentence dude. Establishment Cause? Really?

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It may very well do it for you, but it doesn't prove the existence of god by any rational measure.
    BS. If some sort of being can demonstrate omnipotence and/or omniscience then there is proof that such a being can and does exist. God could be proven if he existed.

    You are just under some stupid delusion that atheist are as delusional and unmoved by proof as believers. That is not the case. It is believers that operate on blind faith not atheists.
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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    It is not an event. She didn't propose people gather in a particular place to pray in the name of any religion. She didn't promote a specific religion. She promoted prayer in a very generalized way. I don't think it precluded for example Muslims from gathering at their mosques and praying or a bunch of hippies gathering in the woods to pray to some fairy god. It was one sentence dude. Establishment Cause? Really?
    Which "she" are you referring to?

    Yea... Establishment Clause. Really. :-)

    Can you explain how proclamations for prayer and a Christian lead prayer rally is not a violation?

    I've already stated numerous times on this thread how it is. Did you read those posts?

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