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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It causes harm if people see prayer as an alternative to personal responsibility.
    Which this isn't an example of.
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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Which this isn't an example of.
    You will have to explain the distinction.
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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBrat View Post
    Ok tired of looking. Heres a couple in medical journals i think. (which really proves or disproves nothing, because for every study you find that says it works, there are just as many that say it doesnt... it all basically comes down to personal opinion)

    http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/...n11101_fm.html

    Doctors increasingly find introducing prayer helps calm patients and speeds recovery

    If you dont believe in prayer, it does nothing for you or anyone else. If you do, prayer does give you a sense of the warm and fuzzies, of feeling better, or feeling more peaceful... this i say from personal experience and nothing else.

    sadly the mja link gives me: Forbidden

    You don't have permission to access /public/issues/...n11101_fm.html on this server.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    sadly the mja link gives me: Forbidden

    You don't have permission to access /public/issues/...n11101_fm.html on this server.
    really??? hmmmm...... weird. I tried it again and it gave me the same thing...but when i went to the site and read the article the first time it was there. oh well.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    yep! still Forbidden

    oh well

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Depression and Meditation

    Prayer and meditation can augment both serotonin and dopamine production and your optimistic center. It turns on the vagal system, the optimistic center and suppresses the pessimistic center and the sympathetic nervous system- reversing a downward trend. The same is true about negative thought, such as anger and uncontrolled stress. This turns on cortisol and the pessimistic center that cause further deterioration leading to depression and sleeplessness.


    Pretty basic. Do you sleep and do better when you have something bothering you or after you've dealt with it?
    This seems to support optimism more than it supports prayer. It's like saying, "Being optimistic turns on the optimistic center of the brain." Well... duh

    We all know that prayer doesn't actually work, this is why parents who pray for their children in lieu of seeking medical help are charged with a crime.

    Why do religious people get immunized? Can't they just pray for God's protection?

    When was the last time someone was rushed into a hospital and you heard the doctor say, "I need 20 cc's of prayer STAT!"?

    Why is it that prayer only seems to help with internal conditions like cancer. Why doesn't anyone regrow a lost limb?

    Regarding the prayer by the governor though... still waiting for a secular purpose.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You will have to explain the distinction.
    Please, God, grant us rain, something we yet have no real control over.
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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    When was the last time someone was rushed into a hospital and you heard the doctor say, "I need 20 cc's of prayer STAT!"?
    Yesterday. 25 year old male. Cardiac arrest, unknown period without oxygen or blood circulation prior to transport. Oh, believe me, they did everything they could medically. The 2-3 hours afterward there was way more than 20CCs. ER doc advised family...in the hospital chapel.

    Dude is doing fine. No indication of long term damage. Medical skill saved the kid. Prayer kinda kept everyone together while they were awaiting the results. Works for some, obviously not for others. The prickish need of individuals to ridicule others in their belief system...well...that speaks volumes too.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    Regarding the prayer by the governor though... still waiting for a secular purpose.
    You have seen plenty of utilitarian views. You just choose to ignore them.
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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Please, God, grant us rain, something we yet have no real control over.
    We have control over this global warming by the amount of CO2 we pump into the atmosphere. Shirking our responsibility to do something about it by thinking prayer will save us only serves to continue the trend.

    Storm Warnings: Extreme Weather Is a Product of Climate Change
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