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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    This is about the least important "church and state" issue I've seen.
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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    For the record, I think that's silly too. It's as silly to me as saying, "May the flying spaghetti monster be with our troops, let's all pray that they are touched by his noodley appendage."

    I don't care if it's a democrat or a republican saying it.
    Great...then you ought to be the first to denounce that ****ing idiot in the white house that thinks it is appropriate.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Great...then you ought to be the first to denounce that ****ing idiot in the white house that thinks it is appropriate.
    I do... as I did the last one, and the one before him, and the one before him......

    Although I do like his take on religion... (At least in this speech).

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    It doesn't have to be a law to be a violation of the establishment clause either. See "prayer in schools".
    That was a dumbass ruling too. I think that while we should watch for violation of church and state and work to keep our government secular; things like this prayer rally or even prayer in school are fine so long as it's not forced. I sometimes think we are getting well too touchy-feely for our own good. Get some thicker skin, let people do as they like. So long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others, people should be free to do as they like.
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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    God obviously likes for Oklahoma to get ice storms, wind, tornadoes, drought and heat waves. That's what he wants for that little frying pan shape of his creation because that's all he ever sends it. The real question is, why is the Governor of Oklahoma asking the citizens of the state to question the Good Lord's divine providence on this?

    This is a perfect example of why I became agnostic. The whole premise in what the governor is asking his citizens to do kind of make's God out to be just a total douche. It's like God is up there in heaven: "I am sending the people of Oklahoma the torment of drought and day after day of extreme heat, but if they all beg me enough, I might send them some rain, but only if they really beg me for it."
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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    The fact that it hasn't been taken to court and ruled unconstitutional "yet", doesn't mean that it is constitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That was a dumbass ruling too. I think that while we should watch for violation of church and state and work to keep our government secular; things like this prayer rally or even prayer in school are fine so long as it's not forced. I sometimes think we are getting well too touchy-feely for our own good. Get some thicker skin, let people do as they like. So long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others, people should be free to do as they like.
    I agree, people should have the right to do what they want so long as they're not infringing on the rights of other people.

    I don't see any problem with the prayer rally (constitutionally), so long as he's there in a personal and not governmental status.

    This has nothing to do with thick skin. I'm not "offended" that people are praying, that's a strawman. Whether or not you agree or disagree or think it is or isn't a big deal is not the issue.

    From a legal standpoint, this looks like a violation of the establishment clause. Unless someone can put forth a secular purpose.

    Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    That doesn't negate the fact that there's no secular purpose for it.
    No such requirement exists.

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    Re: Gov. urges Oklahomans to pray for rain

    Quote Originally Posted by SlackMaster View Post
    I agree, people should have the right to do what they want so long as they're not infringing on the rights of other people.

    I don't see any problem with the prayer rally (constitutionally), so long as he's there in a personal and not governmental status.

    This has nothing to do with thick skin. I'm not "offended" that people are praying, that's a strawman. Whether or not you agree or disagree or think it is or isn't a big deal is not the issue.

    From a legal standpoint, this looks like a violation of the establishment clause. Unless someone can put forth a secular purpose.

    Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
    One doesn't really need to address opinion. I'm certainly willing to note that you are the expert on your opinion. (besides, I did address it)

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    It'll eventually make it to the supreme court. Social change is usually incremental. You win some battles, you lose some. Look at gay marriage in CA. That's gone back and forth how many times now?

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