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94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

deltabtry said:
Not saying anything about the law on this statement, although it can be argued and in the eyes of our founding fathers it is a violations of the 4th amendment. Although I mainly address the organization, where in the law or constitution does it permit the U.S. Government to create a organization that allows a entity of the government to search it citizens without cause or due process. I believe that this need to go through the legislative process and for this to happen it need to be petitioned before the people. So I will ask a question, would this be acceptable to our founding fathers if this situation existed back in their day.
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once you reference the constitution you are talking about legality

and your question is meaningless since nobody could answer it with anything more than a guess not to mention our founding fathers accepting something also wouldnt change the laws. History shows there were many different things they didnt agree on or were "accepting" of but it was still legal/illegal :shrug:
 
mac said:
Yes, but if they only search middle-eastern men...they're profiling...
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I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not... I favor profiling, personally.
 
Centrist77 said:
it would only be hypocritically if they were the SAME they are not LOL
if you understood law and reality choosing to take part in a said service with no force, that has to travel through government controlled airspace where you consent to being searched is nothing like walking down the street or driving a car and searches being forced so you can move through free land in your own property LMAO

they are entirely different things all together to anybody honest and objective lol
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Legality and reality trump your opinions buddy... sorry. :shrug:
 
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Centrist77 said:
correct that was legal at one time
your opinion on whether they were cool with it or not is meaningless to any of my statements though nor is it something I am "arguing" about the TSA

I dont like the TSA but ill never say silly things like they violated the 4th or that flying is equal to driving because theres no logic to support such false claims
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I bet back then they had some guy saying, "legality and reality or the Constitution back Separate But Equal due to the Plessy decision, I may not like it, but it is legal and fine LMAO... too bad all you have is your opinion Mr. King! LMAO!"

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Bodhisattva said:
It sucks, but since we havn't been pulled aside or anything yet, it is worth it for us no matter how utterly ridiculous and retarded the situation. I think that too many people are afraid of challenging the illegality of this, to be honest. Or they don't have the time or resources, like me. I can't really fight this, living overseas.

I thought of going through Canada, but it would add so much time and cost to our trip. We visit in the LA area. Mexico is definitely out of the question too.
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Fortunately, as my Mom and Grandad (and other families) still live in NH, a flight to Montreal is very reasonable for me (and I love the city)... but, to see my aunt, uncle and cousins in Texas... Mexico is not an option I am exploring...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Legality and reality trump your opinions buddy... sorry. :shrug:
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I agree 100%
to bad I didnt give my opinion on the 4th being violated or my opinion on how driving and flying are different I gave facts LOL :shrug:
 
Bodhisattva said:
I bet back then they had some guy saying, "legality and reality or the Constitution back Separate But Equal due to the Plessy decision, I may not like it, but it is legal and fine LMAO... too bad all you have is your opinion Mr. King! LMAO!"

:roll:
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its very possible
to bad that doesnt change the facts or do ANYTHING to support YOUR argument

"I" am NOT arguing the the TSA is great and all sunshine and rainbows, I am just stating facts that TSA policy doesnt violate the 4th. LOL

this bothers you because you let your emotions get in the way of logic. You dont like TSA policy, fine by me I dont "like" TSA policy but the FACT remains TSA policy doenst violate the 4th. :shrug:

accept this fact or move on :D
 
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