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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    actually there is done I already responded and all you gave me is proof of your opinion, proof of what the 4th IS and proof of what is legal or not legal is there is force and no consent.

    These things do nothing to show that TSA policy is being violated using legality
    No, I gave you the 4th itself and nothing about force. It is about warrants and other stuff that you apparently aren't willing to look at honestly. Whatever... look at what I actually am showing you, the 1973 law and the Amendment itself and its words, or I will bid you good day.
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No, I gave you the 4th itself and nothing about force. It is about warrants and other stuff that you apparently aren't willing to look at honestly. Whatever... look at what I actually am showing you, the 1973 law and the Amendment itself and its words, or I will bid you good day.
    the 4th its self supports me LMAO
    warrants/1973 law dont matter on bit since theres no force and consent

    look at reality and legality and maybe youll see that you are 100% wrong.
    no force in legality + consent in legality = ) violation of the 4th in legality

    so bid good day if you like you have still showed nothing
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    easy driving (a personally own vehical into FREE LAND) isnt a said service you are choosing to participate where you know you need searched to do so mostly on private, commercial or government planes and something regulated by the FAA which controls and regulates commercial and government airspace.
    The government regulates the roads. There are signs all over where they tell you what you can and can not do.

    Hell try to drive your car into the secured parameter at my work, you have to subject yourself to a search or not gain access and even the access you gain is limited. ALL LEGAL
    Again, I would never argue that not legal. Again, private vs government.

    If I go to a baseball game the owners have a right to tell me I can not hold up a sign. The government has no right to do that. So let's get off comparing what private individuals can do and what the government can do.

    The government can not search me in order to drive my car. What magically changes that allows them to search me to fly?

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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The government regulates the roads. There are signs all over where they tell you what you can and can not do.



    Again, I would never argue that not legal. Again, private vs government.

    If I go to a baseball game the owners have a right to tell me I can not hold up a sign. The government has no right to do that. So let's get off comparing what private individuals can do and what the government can do.

    The government can not search me in order to drive my car. What magically changes that allows them to search me to fly?
    thew government does not regulate the roads like FAA regulates airspace, sorry nice try

    ball park example, meaningless and non-parallel

    and I already explained to you the HUGE and VAST difference between your car and flying :shurg"

    ill post it again:

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    easy driving (a personally own vehicle into FREE LAND) isnt a said service you are choosing to participate where you know you need searched to do so mostly on private, commercial or government planes and something regulated by the FAA which controls and regulates commercial and government airspace.

    like I said not even close to the same


    try to drive you car onto the white house lawn though? if they want to search it to let you enter they can or you dont get to enter.

    Hell try to drive your car into the secured parameter at my work, you have to subject yourself to a search or not gain access and even the access you gain is limited. ALL LEGAL
    if you are not trying to argue legality, like you said, then theres nothing to debate, legality is all that matters in this case unfortunately
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    if you are not trying to argue legality, like you said, then theres nothing to debate, legality is all that matters in this case unfortunately
    No, I stated that the only difference is someone has deemed one legal but not the other. I'm asking why? There must be a compelling reason. I do not see it.

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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    at least you are starting to get it.
    and I have ZERO problems with people COMPLAINING about it and voicing their OPINIONS, I myself dont "like" it.

    Ill just never be silly enough to falsely say that its against the law or violates the 4th, not saying YOU did because you did not, im just saying in gerneral
    It is a violation of her 4th amendment rights against unreasonable searches. The government has no business requiring you fork over your 4th amendment rights in exchange for travel. And no you do not give up your constitutional rights in exchange for travel. And before you say something retarded like "you consent to be be stripped searched and groped when you buy a ticket" you have yet to provide any proof of that in any discussion regarding the TSA unconstitutional searches.
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Because you aren't forced to fly. Unless you are forced to get on a plane and THEN under those circumstances have to get molested, then it's a violation. If you voluntarily sign up to be molested by buying a ticket, then that's on you. Do I think its ridiculous and absurd? I sure do. But is it a violation? No.
    Where does it say you agree to this when you buy a ticket? Is it on the ticket stub, is there there a legally binding contract that says you consent to all searches no matter invasive they are?
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Where does it say you agree to this when you buy a ticket? Is it on the ticket stub, is there there a legally binding contract that says you consent to all searches no matter invasive they are?

    IMO they won't be able to prove it - choice or lack thereof, in my opinion of course, has jack **** to do with government interference in private business - and a contract of carriage would not have anything on it since the checkpoints are operated by the federal govt. and not the airliners.
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is a violation of her 4th amendment rights against unreasonable searches. The government has no business requiring you fork over your 4th amendment rights in exchange for travel. And no you do not give up your constitutional rights in exchange for travel. And before you say something retarded like "you consent to be be stripped searched and groped when you buy a ticket" you have yet to provide any proof of that in any discussion regarding the TSA unconstitutional searches.
    thanks for your opinion but the law simply doesnt care about it and your opinion has no impact on legality, the ONLY thing that matters.

    all you have to do is offer ONE thing dealing with law and legality, thats it ONE LMAO
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