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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm not saying it would ever be ruled a violation but I'll note where I wouldn't buy this line of reasoning. You aren't forced to drive either. You can choose to stay home. A police officer can't just pull you over and search you though.
    your example is not parallel at all.
    Driving in YOUR car/property is not participating in another said service which you KNOW you have to be searched to participate in.

    not even close to the same.

    If you want close to the same, take your car to private, cooperate property etc where to enter you must consent to being searched or you don't gain access.

    Now that is a parallel example and again totally legal.
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    im not wrong because there no FACTS there, just our opinions
    No. I clearly demonstrated the force. It's not the force which is in contention. It's whether or not one can claim that the force violates the 4th. Well that's the legal sense. It can also be argued that even if it were within the proper confines of the 4th, whether or not the force is even fundamentally reasonable and logically defensible.
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    your example is not parallel at all.
    Driving in YOUR car/property is not participating in another said service which you KNOW you have to be searched to participate in.
    Only because someone deemed one legal and not the other. What makes the difference in driving or flying concerning your rights? What makes flying so special that you lose them? Terrorists first attempt on the WTT was with a vehicle. The attempt in Time Square was with a vehicle.

    What magically changes in between the time you get out of your car and into a line to get onto a plane?

    If you want close to the same, take your car to private, cooperate property etc where to enter you must consent to being searched or you don't gain access.
    Nobody would argue that a private plane operator couldn't search you either. Our rights protect us from the government, not private individuals.

    Now that is a parallel example and again totally legal.
    Private vs public is never a good parallel.

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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Nope wont be ruined at all unless the 3-4 people that falsely think the 4th is violated try to hijack it again. A warrant isnt needed since there is no force in legality and there is consent in legality. Its these simple facts you cant grasp simply because you dont LIKE TSA policy. News flash, neither do I but my emotions arent mixed in with my logic so I can falsely claim the 4th is violated. I can say I dont like it but that wont make me think illogically. :shurg:
    Sorry about the ruin part. Sincerely. I thought this was in the Basement too. Dude, twice now.

    Anyway... I am not going to get into it here with you. I'll jsut stick to the Basement thread.
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Because you aren't forced to fly. Unless you are forced to get on a plane and THEN under those circumstances have to get molested, then it's a violation. If you voluntarily sign up to be molested by buying a ticket, then that's on you. Do I think its ridiculous and absurd? I sure do. But is it a violation? No.
    Not technically forced, but we are forced nontheless... what reasonable alternative mode of travel is there for people to visit family and worse, for people "forced" to fly? Unless you suggest that all people quit jobs where employers make them fly, then you are simply wrong. These laws were made illegally AFTER airline travel became the major mode of internal travel. AFTER. Consequently, people ARE FORCED TO FLY.

    People can't get off a month to travel by boat around the world to see family. Are people just supposed to say, "oh well"?
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Only because someone deemed one legal and not the other. What makes the difference in driving or flying concerning your rights? What makes flying so special that you lose them? Terrorists first attempt on the WTT was with a vehicle. The attempt in Time Square was with a vehicle.

    What magically changes in between the time you get out of your car and into a line to get onto a plane?



    Nobody would argue that a private plane operator couldn't search you either. Our rights protect us from the government, not private individuals.



    Private vs public is never a good parallel.
    easy driving (a personally own vehical into FREE LAND) isnt a said service you are choosing to participate where you know you need searched to do so mostly on private, commercial or government planes and something regulated by the FAA which controls and regulates commercial and government airspace.

    like I said not even close to the same :shurg:


    try to drive you car onto the white house lawn though? if they want to search it to let you enter they can or you dont get to enter.

    Hell try to drive your car into the secured parameter at my work, you have to subject yourself to a search or not gain access and even the access you gain is limited. ALL LEGAL
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not technically forced, but we are forced nontheless... what reasonable alternative mode of travel is there for people to visit family and worse, for people "forced" to fly? Unless you suggest that all people quit jobs where employers make them fly, then you are simply wrong. These laws were made illegally AFTER airline travel became the major mode of internal travel. AFTER. Consequently, people ARE FORCED TO FLY.

    People can't get off a month to travel by boat around the world to see family. Are people just supposed to say, "oh well"?
    well not technically forced is no force at all as far as the law is concerned.
    law doesnt care about your opinions above

    again, note, im not saying your reason above arent logical to cause one to be "UPSET" or not "like" the TSA but that doesnt make them illegal
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Sorry about the ruin part. Sincerely. I thought this was in the Basement too. Dude, twice now.

    Anyway... I am not going to get into it here with you. I'll jsut stick to the Basement thread.

    no apologies needed, stick to whatever thread you want, just no anytime you claim the 4th is violated you will still be wrong unless you can show me proof in legality.
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    no apologies needed, stick to whatever thread you want, just no anytime you claim the 4th is violated you will still be wrong unless you can show me proof in legality.
    Proof located in the Basement... don't get too dirty now.
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    Re: 94-year-old upset by TSA pat down

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Proof located in the Basement... don't get too dirty now.
    actually there is done I already responded and all you gave me is proof of your opinion, proof of what the 4th IS and proof of what is legal or not legal is there is force and no consent.

    These things do nothing to show that TSA policy is being violated using legality
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