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    Re: Iceland mulls whaling's future

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    So long as the species being hunted is not endangered why should Whales be treated differently then any other animal?
    Whales are much more intelligent than most other animals; that should count for something IMO.

    And aside from that...the way that we treat OTHER animals is incredibly disgusting, cruel, and bad for the environment too. I'd like to see more curbs on factory-raised meat in general. And I suspect (although have not investigated the issue enough to be sure) that whale hunting isn't any better.
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    Re: Iceland mulls whaling's future

    Whales are so damned intelligent. They exhibit curiosity and friendliness toward most boats and people, yet flee in terror at the mere sight of a harpoon vessel. Coincidence? I think not. I'm on the whales' side.

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    Re: Iceland mulls whaling's future

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Whales are so damned intelligent. They exhibit curiosity and friendliness toward most boats and people, yet flee in terror at the mere sight of a harpoon vessel. Coincidence? I think not. I'm on the whales' side.
    So do pigs. There has been a video circulating Youtube (a dodgy way to begin any argument) of a bull entering a bullring, and immediately making a dash for freedom into the crowd, clearly he knew what was coming. There are disconcerting examples of intelligence in many animals (see the TED video 'the amazing intelligence of crows). If we are going to determine whether or not it is ok to eat something on the basis on IQ we need to be more consistent.

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    Re: Iceland mulls whaling's future

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    So do pigs. There has been a video circulating Youtube (a dodgy way to begin any argument) of a bull entering a bullring, and immediately making a dash for freedom into the crowd, clearly he knew what was coming. There are disconcerting examples of intelligence in many animals (see the TED video 'the amazing intelligence of crows). If we are going to determine whether or not it is ok to eat something on the basis on IQ we need to be more consistent.
    For most people, their concern for a particular species depends entirely on how cute it is.
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    Re: Iceland mulls whaling's future

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    For most people, their concern for a particular species depends entirely on how cute it is.
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    Re: Iceland mulls whaling's future

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    For most people, their concern for a particular species depends entirely on how cute it is.
    A animals cuteness has nothing to do with concern for a particular species. If it crawl, walks,run,flies, or swims people will eat it regardless of cuteness. That's why we still eat ducks, chickens,cows, pigs and other animals.
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    Re: Iceland mulls whaling's future

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Whales are much more intelligent than most other animals; that should count for something IMO.

    And aside from that...the way that we treat OTHER animals is incredibly disgusting, cruel, and bad for the environment too. I'd like to see more curbs on factory-raised meat in general. And I suspect (although have not investigated the issue enough to be sure) that whale hunting isn't any better.
    So, close down ranchers, feed lots, packing houses. A great idea, there are plenty of other jobs those people could be doing, like picking lettuce for $3.00 an hour. Right?

    Not to mention the soaring cost increases that would occur on already nearly unaffordable meat.

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    Re: Iceland mulls whaling's future

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    So, close down ranchers, feed lots, packing houses. A great idea, there are plenty of other jobs those people could be doing, like picking lettuce for $3.00 an hour. Right?
    And maybe if we let factories dump all their waste into local reservoirs, they'll be able to use the savings to hire more people too! After all, no issue is too important to demagogue.

    Not to mention the soaring cost increases that would occur on already nearly unaffordable meat.
    Meat SHOULD be more expensive. People aren't paying nearly enough given the amount of water it wastes and the amount of damage it does to the environment. If the price of environmental degradation was included in the cost of meat (rather than passed on to the general public), meat would indeed be more expensive.
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    Re: Iceland mulls whaling's future

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And maybe if we let factories dump all their waste into local reservoirs, they'll be able to use the savings to hire more people too! After all, no issue is too important to demagogue.
    Unrelated drivel is unrelated.
    Meat SHOULD be more expensive. People aren't paying nearly enough given the amount of water it wastes and the amount of damage it does to the environment. If the price of environmental degradation was included in the cost of meat (rather than passed on to the general public), meat would indeed be more expensive.
    Sure, that way only the wealthy could afford to eat meat. You should spend your time picketing fast food burger joints.

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    Re: Iceland mulls whaling's future

    Places like Iceland and Japan will just keep whaling until every last whale is gone. This is especially true of Japan. Their cultures are so rooted in tradition that they will obstinately continue to pillage the seas without regard for endangered species or sustainable populations. Money and tradition reign supreme.

    I also agree with the sentiment that the way we raise and treat animals for consumption is abhorrent - not just because the animals live in grotesque conditions, but because humans are consuming chemical-laden meat products that are adversely affecting the health of entire populations.

    But anyway... I don't expect humans to learn.

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