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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    McConnell is a buffoon. Why doesn’t he just ask the President to deem the legislation passed like the House did with health care?
    You're the only other person in this thread who caught that! And I'll answer the question for the viewing audience...

    It's because they (the GOP) doesn't want to be seen as the party of hypocrites!! They know that if they used procedures like "Deem and Pass" or "Reconciliation" to get this debt ceiling measure passed they'd be seen as being no different than the Democrats when they passed health care reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I read it over again and thought about it: This is the Republicans way of letting Obama have his way, and show that they will not compromise with the president in anyways whatsoever. Basically, they can tell their voters its Obama's "fault" the debt ceiling is raised and they never technically broke their promises. Meanwhile, the nation goes on, debt ceiling raised no strings attached. Hey, could of had $3 cuts for every $1 revenue but, we'll take nothing instead. Sounds reasonable?
    We have another winner here, ladies and gentlemen! The GOP leadership is attempting to skirt their Constitutional responsibilities here!! Now, I ask those who claim to be such stauch defenders of the Constitution ARE YOU GOING TO STAND BY AND LET THIS HAPPEN or ARE YOU GOING TO HOLD YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS RESPONSIBLE TO UPHOLDING THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL OATH?

    Will you allow party politics to rule the day or will you insist that your elected officials put country ahead of politics? You choose, but choose wisely. Our nation's sovereignty, our economic and military might may just be at stake if Congress continues down this dangerous path of playing political games.
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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You're the only other person in this thread who caught that! And I'll answer the question for the viewing audience...

    It's because they (the GOP) doesn't want to be seen as the party of hypocrites!! They know that if they used procedures like "Deem and Pass" or "Reconciliation" to get this debt ceiling measure passed they'd be seen as being no different than the Democrats when they passed health care reform.
    Is that why the repubs spent our money like a herd of drunken sailors on leave, after campaigning on cutting spending? Because they didn't want to be seen as hypocrits
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Is that why the repubs spent our money like a herd of drunken sailors on leave, after campaigning on cutting spending? Because they didn't want to be seen as hypocrits
    It's not the spending that I was referring to here. It's the way certain members of the GOP leadership are trying to skirt their responsibilities under the Constitution and basically "delegate" same to the President instead of taking alittle political heat just to save face or their jobs instead of doing what's right for the country. Both Speaker Boehner and Sen. McConnell know full well they can't let the debt limit deadline pass without raising it. They know the consequences financially and politically for doing nothing. But they don't want to put their necks out and "buck their party" and face retribution. (And to be honest, neither do the Democrats). But here's the rub...

    The Democrats have offerred up far more than the Republicans and the people are beginning to take notice. So, again I ask "loyalty to party, or loyalty to country"?

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    It's not the spending that I was referring to here. It's the way certain members of the GOP leadership are trying to skirt their responsibilities under the Constitution and basically "delegate" same to the President instead of taking alittle political heat just to save face or their jobs instead of doing what's right for the country. Both Speaker Boehner and Sen. McConnell know full well they can't let the debt limit deadline pass without raising it. They know the consequences financially and politically for doing nothing. But they don't want to put their necks out and "buck their party" and face retribution. (And to be honest, neither do the Democrats). But here's the rub...

    The Democrats have offerred up far more than the Republicans and the people are beginning to take notice. So, again I ask "loyalty to party, or loyalty to country"?
    You said that the repubs don't want to look like hypocrits. If the desire to not look like hypocrits guides the repubs words and deeds, then why did they spend so much after campaigning on cutting the budget?

    IOW, my argument is that repubs don't give a rats' patootie about looking like hypocrits, and their actions have repeatedly proven this true

    Another example is how all teabagging whiners promised to make jobs their #1 priority if they were elected. Once elected, they started out pushing for abortion bills and still have not even voted just once on any jobs bill. In fact, they have pushed for laws that would kill jobs.

    Boehner: If Jobs Are Lost As A Result Of GOP Spending Cuts 'So Be It' | TPMDC

    If House Republicans succeed in cutting tens of billions of dollars in discretionary spending over the next six months, some of the most immediate victims will be federal employees, many of whose jobs will be slashed as their agencies pare back.

    At a press conference in the lobby of RNC headquarters Tuesday morning, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) shrugged this off as collateral damage.

    "In the last two years, under President Obama, the federal government has added 200,000 new federal jobs," Boehner said. "If some of those jobs are lost so be it. We're broke."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Yeah I know man. That austerity has been working great for the European countries right? I mean, it isn't like they've been having mass riots or anything, ya know?
    The auseterity measure don't work as well in Europe because many more people in those countries are dependent on the government for their existence. There are a lot of politicians in this country wanting us to head the same way. That is why they don't want to roll back government spending. Austrerity is a hinderance to their poltical power.

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    just trying to represent the american people

    According to [Gallup], 53 percent of people who say they’re following the debt limit debate very closely said they want their member of Congress to vote against raising it. Just 37 percent said they wanted a vote to increase it.

    And just 34 percent of those who say they’re following the debate told Gallup they think not raising the limit would result in an economic crisis.
    Poll: Most say don't raise debt limt | POLITICO 44

    americans know---if something isn't done NOW to fundamentally reform our budgets, then our big 3 federal programs (as well as state pensions) will, put bluntly, die

    kinda like the old soviet union

    americans like their programs

    or, more accurately, THEY'VE PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN EM

    as for making good on the 61.6 trillion which doubles every ten years---there aint enough moolah in the milky way can make it right

    americans know

    leadership, anyone?

    seeya at the polls, pals
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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    just trying to represent the american people



    Poll: Most say don't raise debt limt | POLITICO 44

    americans know---if something isn't done NOW to fundamentally reform our budgets, then our big 3 federal programs (as well as state pensions) will, put bluntly, die

    kinda like the old soviet union

    americans like their programs

    or, more accurately, THEY'VE PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN EM

    as for making good on the 61.6 trillion which doubles every ten years---there aint enough moolah in the milky way can make it right

    americans know

    leadership, anyone?

    seeya at the polls, pals
    An AP-GfK Poll shows that 81% of all americans support raising the debt ceiling

    Budget/Taxes
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    We all know something needs to happen, and it should already have happened. It's the Republicans somehow trying to pretend they play no part in this, they want no responsibility for this, that is the hold up.

    They want it all to be on Obama. McConnell came out and said so.

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    your link:

    "In general, do you support, oppose or neither support nor oppose raising the federal debt limit in order to avoid defaulting on U.S. government debts?"

    Support Oppose Neither Unsure
    % % % %
    38 41 18 3
    ap-gfk, june 16 to 20, 38% support, 41 oppose

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You said that the repubs don't want to look like hypocrits. If the desire to not look like hypocrits guides the repubs words and deeds, then why did they spend so much after campaigning on cutting the budget?

    IOW, my argument is that repubs don't give a rats' patootie about looking like hypocrits, and their actions have repeatedly proven this true

    Another example is how all teabagging whiners promised to make jobs their #1 priority if they were elected. Once elected, they started out pushing for abortion bills and still have not even voted just once on any jobs bill. In fact, they have pushed for laws that would kill jobs.

    Boehner: If Jobs Are Lost As A Result Of GOP Spending Cuts 'So Be It' | TPMDC
    I'd say we're both right. The GOP leadership is trying to pass the buck and leave the country's rise or fall squarely on the backs of the Democrats and the President. IMO, they'd be abdocating the very fiscally responsible conservatism they petitioned for to win the midterm elections. Moreover, McConnells stupid "fallback plan" in my view is a disgrace to his oath to uphold the Constitution and would be no different than the alledge underhanded dealings the GOP blamed the Dems for doing in passing health care reform.

    Take responsibility for the mess you helped create and stop worrying more about your political profile than the true faith and credit and soveriegnty of the nation!

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